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|Oct-28-08|| ||parisattack: Perhaps there is a spark in Kramnik, still. I hope he plays something out-of-the-box; he must win with black which certainly pushes his current game philosophy. Dutch? Grunfeld (pretend its a reverse Catalan, Vlady!)? Anand in his turn needs to play aggressively or he'll get slaughtered again.|
|Oct-28-08|| ||Domdaniel: I like the Dutch, but most GMs seem to regard it as almost a forced loss for Black. Kramnik is not fond of opening systems that leave him with weak backward pawns, a bad bishop, an exposed king, or all three.|
When I tried my very first Nimzo-Indian OTB against GM Baburin recently, he beat me in 17 moves, using a sharp line I was completely unaware of. Yet he still agreed that I was better off trying this than anything so suicidal as a Dutch. Or Benoni, for that matter.
That kind of aggressive black play is just too simplistic for these guys. Another master told me "Once you played ...f5 it was obvious what your plan was" -- and obvious plans get crushed.
The logical thing to expect now is an improvement on a line played earlier in the match -- somewhere in the broad QGD/Slav/Nimzo complex. We'll just have to wait and see who gets their novelty in first.
|Oct-28-08|| ||MaxxLange: Didn't Kramnik play the ...Bd6 Stonewall Dutch as a young player? I think there is a chapter in Dvoretsky's "Opening Preparation" with some of those games|
If he plays the Blumenfeld Gambit or the Old Indian, then we know that he took advice from cg.com a few pages ago, and hired IM Tate as an emergency consultant
|Oct-29-08|| ||whiteshark: <MaxxLange: <Didn't Kramnik play the ...Bd6 Stonewall Dutch as a young player? I think there is a chapter in Dvoretsky's "Opening Preparation" with some of those games>>|
In the book 'Positional Play' (by Dvoretsky/Yusupov) Kramnik wrote:
<I love using Stonewall against attacking players who like combinations because here White cannot deliver mate, and the strategic problems can prove to be too complicated for such opponents. <<>>>
|Oct-29-08|| ||SetNoEscapeOn: <whiteshark>
I'm not sure if Kramnik counts Anand among those opponents.
|Oct-29-08|| ||jessicafischerqueen: Good evening.
Good game to the players, the gallery, and GMs Gonzalez and Bacerra.
|Oct-29-08|| ||Richard Taylor: I think Anand will win the match but I hope for the sake of the excitement of chess Kramnik pulls back (and some inetresting & creative games are played) - but if Anand wins - all glory to him! He has played great chess. If Kramnik pulls back that will be great also - as his last game was a great game - as Anand's first two wins were...so I cant watch this as it starts at 3 am here...|
So congrats on whoever wins the World Champs - my feeling is that it will be draw but perhaps not an easy one...but who knows - the probabilities seem to favour Anand although he is under pressure..hmm..I will see the news tommorrow!
|Oct-29-08|| ||technical draw: <Time is only a continuous variable. Time doesn´t exist. Space doesn't exist. Who am I?>|
Uh, stardust 762?
|Oct-29-08|| ||AdrianP: It's a huge ask to win with Black on demand when the other player only needs a draw. assuming equally strong players playing well, you'd have to say that the chances would only be around 10-15%. But anything can happen in the pressure cooker. |
I don't think Kramnik should play anything to offbeat, or indeed too aggressive. He just needs to keep some play into a middlegame. I wonder what the d4 equivalent of a hedgehog is (can you get a hedgehog against d4)?
|Oct-29-08|| ||stardust762: <technical draw: <Time is only a continuous variable. Time doesn´t exist. Space doesn't exist. Who am I?> Uh, stardust 762?>|
Yes, it's me! I think I am fine today - I hope so...
|Oct-29-08|| ||technical draw: <stardust762> Tengo un primo en Deviant Art:|
|Oct-29-08|| ||Quintiliano: Budapest gambit, I suppose..|
|Oct-29-08|| ||SetNoEscapeOn: Today we have a rare situation. No matter what happens, this is going to be a historic game.|
|Oct-29-08|| ||technical draw: <Chessgames.com> Set your clock. It's 2 minutes slow.|
|Oct-29-08|| ||stardust762: <Tengo un primo en Deviant Art>|
Nice picture, indeed! It reminds me my home planet!
|Oct-29-08|| ||acirce: Leko vs Topalov, 2002 is Topalov winning a must-win game with Black in a very important game (game 3 of 4 in the Dortmund 2002 "candidates final"). His opening choice against Lékó's 1.e4: the Kan Sicilian, reaching a Hedgehog structure.|
|Oct-29-08|| ||SetNoEscapeOn: <Lasker, Kasparov, and Kramnik himself have won must-win final games in world championship matches, all with white. In 1958, Smyslov beat Botvinnik with black in an elimination game only to give up the clinching draw the next day. I think that was the only must-win world championship win with black in the modern era. Other potentially relevant stat: Karpov beat Kasparov three games in a row toward the end of their 1986 match.>|
- Mig on The Daily Dirt
Possibly the most famous example of a failed attempt:
Karpov vs Kasparov, 1985
although Karpov had white there.
|Oct-29-08|| ||acirce: <I think that was the only must-win world championship win with black in the modern era.>|
Well, I suppose Karpov vs Timman, 1993 does not count.
|Oct-29-08|| ||acirce: Botvinnik vs Smyslov, 1958 was a Stonewall Dutch.|
|Oct-29-08|| ||Open Defence: well I did a another reading of Tal's book and the part about his match with Gligoric|
<"...But nothing came of the 5th game and many reporters of the Yugoslav press began to express their preference for Gligoric. They said he had a point in hand, that he had three White games to come against my two and that he was fit and well prepared physically. However I sensed that I was 'beginning to play' and felt that in the fifth game I had seen quite a lot at the board...">
he then goes on to write a bit further on
<"...I had noticed earlier that Gligoric before a defeat, and Gligoric after one are two entirely different players.">
well I feel this about Anand too, especially in 1995, in matches the "tide" if there is such a thing can be important ? Has Kramnik turned the "tide" so to speak ?
|Oct-29-08|| ||cotdt: Historic game about to start...|
|Oct-29-08|| ||ketchuplover: I am not here :)|
|Oct-29-08|| ||whiteshark: <Catchuplova> So you are there!|
|Oct-29-08|| ||whiteshark: <SetNoEscapeOn: <I'm not sure if Kramnik counts Anand among those opponents.>> Neither do I. :D|
|Oct-29-08|| ||PinnedPiece: OK I'm on the record:
Queen's gambit declined.
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