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Karima Beddar vs Nicole Arosemena
Women's Olympiad (2008), Dresden GER, rd 8, Nov-21
King's Indian Defense: Normal Variation. Rare Defenses (E90)  ·  1-0
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Jan-12-09  Samagonka: This was really subtle for a Monday puzzle. I think someone wanted to make us feel useless today. It worked!
Jan-12-09
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  YouRang: IMO, what made this a decent puzzle was that it threw a little 'diversion' at me.

The diversion was that the K+Q knight fork jumps in my face. But alas, the bishop is stopping it. What to do??

Answer: Forget the knight fork! It's not about the knight fork. It's about swiping a rook using a discovered check to recover our sacrificed queen.

Best of all, it dropped the curtain on a game that should have been resigned several moves back.

Jan-12-09
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  Aurora: 23 Qxe5 dxe5 24 Nf6+ will suffice
Jan-12-09  A.G. Argent: <A.G. Argent> - <Arosemena..."him" and "his" King...> Oops, sorry, Ms. Arosemena, I just didn't stop at the board coming into kibitz last night and didn't notice you ain't a him. No excuse for assuming you are/were. My bad.
Jan-12-09  alexandrovm: queen takes rook, then Nf3+, taking the queen...
Jan-12-09  MaczynskiPratten: I played through the game and some of Black's moves seemed rather weak. Then I wondered what Arosemena's wins were like. If you think this game is bad, this is truly shocking .. Niloofar Nayab vs N Arosemena, 2008. Not a great advert for the Women's Chess Olympiad! I'm sure I saw better games in our local girls' tournament. I guess it's difficult for countries where chess is not a popular game, especially for women.
Jan-12-09  DeltaHawk: I got it.
Jan-12-09  Eduardo Leon: Qxe5, period.
Jan-12-09
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  Once: All we need is a little Harry Potter-esque wizardry here. The d6 pawn is wizard-pinned by the rook on d1 via the invisible knight on d5.

First we need to make the Nd5 disappear. Then we freeze time so that black cannot move. This allows us to play Qxe5 before black gets a chance to move out of the pin.

What do you mean, magic is not allowed by the laws of chess? Then we will do a little spell and make time run backwards. First we grab the free rook on e5, then we make the knight disappear by Nf6+ and that leaves the way clear to grab the queen on d7.

Tomorrow we will see how to beat the Nimzo indian using the Quidditch defence ...

Jan-12-09  SamAtoms1980: Got the solution. Missed the helpmate in three.
Jan-12-09  JG27Pyth: WoodyWoodpusher <This is one of the worst games I have seen on C.G. to date. This is appalling.>

Someone should have kept Woody from seeing this, have some decency, close the game's eyes, put a sheet over it, he's going to have nightmares for weeks.

Jan-12-09  veerar: I have seen this variation before,but it is against the very spirit of the KID,where Black,strives for a K-side attack!
Jan-12-09  MaxxLange: The bishop shuttling between e5 and f6 is amusing.

I get the idea that this player was in a bit over her head, even on board 5, in the Olympiad.

Jan-12-09  njchess: <Jmas: Does anyone have an opinion on why the caption for the opening says "Rare Defenses"? I'm not an expert on the King's Indian (or any opening, really), but none of the moves looked all that unconventional to me. The word "Defenses" suggests to me that it is one or more of Black's moves that make this a "rare" variation, but that's about all I have to go on. Thoughts?>

I'm guessing that CG evaluates it as rare, because Black, and to a lesser extent White, makes a series of less often played moves. The first five moves by both sides transpose into the Classical Variation of the KID (normal move order is 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc6 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 0-0).

Having already played 3. Nf3, White actually slips up by playing 6. Bd3. Normally 6. Be2 is played. Usually Bd3 is followed by Nge2 to protect d4. However, by not playing 7. ... Nc6 instead of 7. ... Bg4 after 6. ... e5, Black fails to take advantage of this oversight.

What starts out as a Classical KID for Black goes awry with 7. ... Bg4. Normally in the KID, like the French, Black's light squared bishop often has trouble finding a good square. Usually, Black refrains from committing this piece until queen side play has been resolved. It will often end up on Bg4 usually to be recaptured by White's bishop (after h3, Bxf3) from either e2 or g2. This game fully illustrates the folly of making Bg4 to soon. The usual move is Nc6 followed by Ne7, or in this case, Nb4 is also playable (e.g. 7. ... Nc6 8. d5 Nb4 9. Be2 (9. a3 Nxd3 10. Qxd3 ) Black will eventually have to play Na6 followed by Nc7 or Nc5 and Nd7. White will have gained space, but may be over extended queen side.).

After 8. d5, Black cannot play the more normal Nc6 and instead plays c6?. This is another "rare" and questionable move. It's to White's advantage not to exchange on c6 and she need not at the moment. Better would have been Nbd7 followed by a5, as I stated previously.

With 9. h3, White forces the exchange. If Black doesn't exchange, Bg4 is neatly refuted since Black's bishop must retreat back to it's original square giving up the initiative in the process. Given 11. Bg5 and the subsequent outcome of the game, perhaps Black would have been better off with 9. ... Bc8.

And that's why I think CG classifies this as a "rare" defense.

Jan-12-09  MiCrooks: Already a Rook down pretty much anything that doesn't drop material wins here!!

That said, it certainly makes sense to win a little more AND to trade down to a 2R vs B endgame where finally Black will be convinced to resign!!

Reminds me of a child playing! They will keep on going despite material loss, but even a TRADE of Queens will cause them to despair and resign :)

Jan-12-09
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  zenpharaohs: MiCrooks: "Already a Rook down pretty much anything that doesn't drop material wins here!!"

Yes, after I found the intended line, I looked for other things, and gave up because there was no really meaningful way to decide what was "good enough to talk about" since even silly things outright win.

Jan-12-09  Jmas: Thank you <njchess>, that was very helpful! I thought I had seen ... c6 before in the KID but maybe I am thinking of a different opening. In any case I see the point of your analysis. Again, thank you.
Jan-12-09
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  beenthere240: After 17. Bxf6, Black should say "nice game" and extend her hand.
Jan-12-09  SamAtoms1980: <nuwanda: By the way, any ideas about the chrismas-puzzles at chessbase ?>

I've solved half of them. I'd like to know if there is a place where people talk about those things.

Jan-12-09  muralman: Took some looking. Not being a chess player has it's drawbacks. Finally I realized the black pawn and white rook dance.
Jan-12-09  vanthanh42: Very easy !!!
Jan-12-09  WhiteRook48: hmph. Very good sacrifice.
Jan-12-09  stacase: Since White is up an entire Rook, what's the point? After a short examination, Queen takes Rook seems to work the best.
Jan-12-09
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  OBIT: Actually, there was no rook on f1, as stray gunfire had destroyed the rook some moves earlier. Unperturbed, Karima pressed on with her attack and still won with a nifty combination beginning with 23. Qxe5!
Jan-12-09  tjshann: Nicole is from the "Show me" state, apparently
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