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| Feb-07-11 | | Fuegoverde: 19...Qxc3, 20 bxc3 Rxb1+, 21 K moves Rxh1, two rooks and a knight must be enough to beat the lonely queen. |
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Feb-07-11
 | | chrisowen: 19 tower b1 it is crapper sully earner... black cleans up after 11 knight a kestrel ate c6. Both white skylark sh read upper janitor queen xc3 momentum force rook trawl sack mack back rack brooms morgue as board eye glass ceiling. Reasess ionic covalense king is left free standing. |
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| Feb-07-11 | | 1.e4effort: this seems cut and dried:
19.....Qxc3+
20. bxc3...Rxb1+
21. K whatever...Rxh1
and White should resign if he hasn't already |
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Feb-07-11
 | | Patriot: <knight knight> <It's worth checking the black rook can't be trapped (or kept out of play). White's first move needs to be 22. Qb5 (otherwise 22...Rb8 and the other rook can connect on b1) but black simply replies 22...Rxh4 and the rook escapes via h5. If white's h-pawn was instead on h3 black would have a hard time getting the rook back into play.> I think you make a good point about Qb5 and keeping the other rook out of play. Even if the h-pawn were on h3, it's all a question of technique. I can see white winning a7, e7 and d6. For example starting with 22...Rc8 23.Qb7 Rc5 24.Qxe7. I think white can then play 24...Rb5 (not 24...Ra5?? 25.Qd8+ and 26.Qxa5). This might be a good position to play against a computer for practicing technique. |
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| Feb-07-11 | | Lunchtime: Eynard? |
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Feb-07-11
 | | David2009: Eynard vs R Cosulich, 1967
<Patriot>, <lost in space>, <Phony Benoni>, <MiCrooks:> 
click for larger view Your friendly local Crafty End Game Trainer is happy to defend the position colours reversed (White to play and win). Link:
http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t...
I won first time but it was much harder work than I expected - I had to disgorge my N to break a blockade and then had to think hard before I could safely transpose to a won K&P ending forty or fifty moves later. Enjoy finding a speedier win! <MiCrooks: Actually I think this is an interesting puzzle for a Monday.> I agree. <But I would like to see most patzers win this against a GM. As an exercise they could try it against a computer.> Easier to win against a GM than a computer. The only way it could arise would be in a simul - whereupon the GM gracefully resigns! <scormus> thanks for the link to M Stean vs E Ungureanu, 1976 (I added http:// to get the link you had intended). <Phony Benoni: <MiCrooks> Good point. I feel uneasy about puzzles like this for the same reason. It's very easy to get into the mindset of thinking an "easily won" position will play itself, then very hard to get back to figuring out the moves yourself when something goes wrong.
As a practical matter, I don't think it would help White to try and play on a piece down (20.Kd1 Rxb2 21.Rxb2 Qxb2 22.Rh3 or 22.Kd2), simply because I think most
people would feel more comfortable playing with a simple extra piece than an unusual grouping like RRN vs Q>. I was delighted when the EGT decided to go for that ending - the fewer pieces the EGT has the fewer opportunities it has to swindle me (or should that be for me to swinsle myself?). My best strategy is to simplify against it, handing back the odd Pawn to get something clearcut which preserves an advantage. I take risks against humans, not against computers. Playing the EGT I rearely look for mating combinations (except of course in POTD puzzle positions) - I trust it to avoid them. Playing a human it is a different matter. "Trust the opponent" works well against computers but not against humans - for an example where the great Tal gets it wrong see Lutikov vs Tal, 1955. |
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Feb-07-11
 | | benjinathan: I saw it, but would I have played it?
I think so because the 2 rooks should make short work of white's pawns if nothing else. |
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| Feb-07-11 | | LoveThatJoker: <gmalino: Ok,
19.Rb5
is really silly because of
19.......Qd2
and the opportunity has gone.
:-(>
gmalino, it would be wrong to play 19...Rb5 in the first place because it would allow 20. Qxb5! when Black is a Rook down. It is worth considering such a move because it does have the potential to trap a major piece or, at the least, divert the major piece's attention from an attacking post; but such moves must be checked carefully, lest it gives the opposing side a splendid tactical resource. LTJ |
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Feb-07-11
 | | kevin86: Black sacs the queen-but picks up both rooks and a knight in return. RR+N vs Q is such a big advantage that they can win even WITHOUT pawns. |
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| Feb-07-11 | | YetAnotherAmateur: 19. ... Qxc3 is great. I'm not so keen on the bxc3 response though - it seems like white could have better damage control by conceding the knight and refusing the sac with Kd1 or Ke2. |
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| Feb-07-11 | | Brandon plays: RRN vs. Q. Yeah, I'll take that trade. Qxc3 |
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Feb-07-11
 | | M.Hassan: "Very Easy" Black to move 19...?
A Knight and two Rooks for a Queen?
Not bad:
19.........Qxc3
20.bxc3 Rxb1+
21.Kf2 Rxh1 |
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Feb-07-11
 | | Marmot PFL: The idea of most Monday puzzles is to get less experienced players used to the idea of giving up the queen, something many won't do even for mate. |
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| Feb-07-11 | | cuppajoe: My thought process (typical of Mondays):
"I don't understand, it's Monday, but White doesn't have anything at all after Qxf6. Oh, it's Black to play." |
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| Feb-07-11 | | VincentL: "Very Easy".
19.....Qxc3+ wins 2 rooks and a knight for the queen, or just the knight if white declines
the queen.
After 20. bxc3 Rxb1+ 21. K moves Rxh1.
I am guessing that white resigned straight away. Letīs check. |
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Feb-07-11
 | | scormus: <David2009, added http://>; thanks, this is one of my all time favorite games. If I remember right B players had enjoyed a lot of success in the early 1970s with this line of the Najdorf-Polu. |
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Feb-07-11
 | | Bishoprick: I agree with Sevenseasman |
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| Feb-07-11 | | splatty: 19.Rb1, what a stonking blunder! |
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| Feb-07-11 | | splatty: <chrisowen: 19 tower b1 it is crapper sully earner... black cleans up after 11 knight a kestrel ate c6. Both white skylark sh read upper janitor queen xc3 momentum force rook trawl sack mack back rack brooms morgue as board eye glass ceiling. Reasess ionic covalense king is left free standing.> LMAO, you have a great way with words, great stuff. |
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| Feb-07-11 | | wals: Razzamatazz, the drought has broken.
Rybka 4 x 64
d 18 : 7 min :
White blunder,
14.h4, -1.18. Best,
1. = (0.00): 14.Bc4 Qb6 15.b3 Be6 16.Bxe6 fxe6 17.Qd2 c4 18.Na4 Qc7 19.0-0 Nh5 20.g3 Nf6 21.c3 Nd7 22.f4 Qb7 23.Qe3 Nf6 24.Rfe1 Rc7 25.Rab1 Ng4 2.  (-0.36): 14.Qd2 c4 15.Ba4 Bxa4 16.Nxa4 Qc7 17.0-0 d5 18.exd5 Rfd8 19.Nc3 e6 20.Rad1 Nxd5 21.Qd4 Nb4 22.Qe4 Qb6+ 23.Kh1 Nd5 24.Nxd5 Rxd5 25.Rxd5 exd5 26.Qxd5 Qxb2 27.Qd7 Rf8 28.Qa4 Qd4 29.Re1 White blunder.
d 18 : 6 min :
19.Rb1, -4.26. Best,
1.  (-0.85): 19.Ke2 Qxb2 20.Qd2 Qa3 21.Rab1 a5 22.g4 h5 23.g5 Nd7 24.Kf2 Ne5 25.Kg2 Rfd8 26.Rhf1 Nc6 27.f4 e5 28.f5 gxf5 29.exf5 Nd4 30.f6 Rb2 31.Rfc1 d5 32.Rxb2 2. (-0.85): 19.Qd2 Qxb2 20.Ke2 Qa3 21.Rab1 a5 22.g4 h5 23.g5 Nd7 24.Kf2 Ne5 25.Kg2 Rfd8 26.Rhf1 Nc6 27.f4 e5 28.f5 gxf5 29.exf5 Nd4 30.f6 Rb2 31.Rfc1 d5 32.Rxb2 White resigned after move 21. |
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| Feb-07-11 | | splatty: Castle of black eye'th mr white soldier unprotected whence queen dogmonster backs up et faces off it's dark nemesis. Black dogmonster queen terrifies quivering unprotected horse and men whom wishth thems stayed home on this bloody day. Lone white tower moves in reaction to defend hopeless comrades, but it is stupid and only hastens the demise of this abandonned battalion. Queen dogmonster suicide slays mr horse, threatening to immediately annihilate monarch, and soldier does what his only real option is. Black tower severs the board from corner to corner, leaving white dogmonster a prisoner on the board destined for eventual death. |
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| Feb-07-11 | | WhiteRook48: 19...Qxc3+ 20 bxc3 Rxb1+ 21 Kf2 Rxh1 and Black has much more than enough for the queen. |
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| Feb-07-11 | | turbo231: <MiCrooks: Actually I think this is an interesting puzzle for a Monday. Anyone who can move the pieces and add up that 5+5+3 > 9 could possibly find this puzzle. But I would like to see most patzers win this against a GM. As an exercise they could try it against a computer.> I agree, wouldn't want to play against Houdini with black. Been there done that. |
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Feb-07-11
| | chrisowen: <turbo231> two more point, instead of rail roading wait lerknio Eynard manual handling. Play a ve. slow move like 12a3 us or 1200 bin ocular king h4 windows allow little breathing room roberto repchage now c4 come with tempo. Interestingly first class dismantle, aged sic. but instructive it was. Dont forget to castle crusty white. |
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Feb-07-11
 | | Phony Benoni: One reason I feel many players would have trouble winning this ending is that it requires coordination between the pieces rather than just a one-on-one brute force approach. Such coordination is very difficult to learn, and not a major part of the amateur's toolbox. |
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sac: 19...Qxc3+