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Ljubivoje Perunovic vs Anastasija Panic
21st Belgrade Trophy (2008), rd 8, Dec-04
Torre Attack: Fianchetto Defense (A48)  ·  0-1
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Aug-08-11
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  agb2002: Black has the bishop pair for a bishop and a knight.

White threatens 23.Bxd7.

The knight on d2 defends the weak spot f3. Therefore, 22... Rxd2 - + [B] (23.Qxd2 Nf3+ and 24... Nxd2).

Aug-08-11  Skylark: At least I can still get Monday puzzles lol.
Aug-08-11  Dyonis: 22. ... Rxd2 23. Qc1 Bxe4! than if 24. Kf1 Bd3+ 25.Bxd3 Rxd3
Aug-08-11
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  agb2002: <LIFE Master AJ: Very easy, 22...RxN/d2; and 23...Nf3+.

And I really don't understand some of the people on this site. My game with Tillis got deleted. One player was 2200+ the other over 2100.

Here you have a <LAFFER> between an 1800 and a 2000 player, neither one is a master.

When I post a game, someone will complain that I am ruining the quality of the database, but here ... not a word about any of this!

Go figure, I am about to give up even trying ...
>

I agree. The game of the POTD has disappointed me so many times (and often the GOTD) that I rarely review it (yesterday was a nice exception).

<CG> The CG guys in charge of the game selection should revise and improve their criteria (just a constructive criticism!).

Aug-08-11
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  TheTamale: Oh, must be Monday. Saw the answer instantly, before coffee...
Aug-08-11  Patriot: 22...Rxd2 wins a piece since 23.Qxd2 Nf3+ wins the queen. The move before, 22.Bb5, attacks the rook and almost seems like a 'free move'. But white didn't look closely at what black could do in response which makes this a "hope chess" move.

<LIFE Master AJ> You're right. It makes no sense that some of your games get deleted while this game remains in the database. It sounds like you are just being singled out.

<agb2002> I usually don't go over the entire game but sometimes look at the move before to see how we got to the puzzle. And 22.Bb5 was definitely a blunder! For me though, it doesn't matter what the rest of the game was like or that the players are not master and above. Omitting those may dismiss some really interesting puzzle positions. But I guess it depends on what everyone feels. Here's a thought... What if the game is between two 1600 players? Let's say one of the players were Bobby Fischer or Anatoly Karpov. Now maybe they had that rating at age 5 or something but you get my point.

Aug-08-11  VincentL: "Very Easy".

I presume the solution here is 22.....Rxd2. Then if 23. Qxd2 Nf3+ winning the queen.

I canīt see anything better. Letīs check.

Aug-08-11
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  beenthere240: It's funny. 21. Be2 seems to say "I see the knight check on f3 coming -- forget about it. Now the square is protected twice." And then move 22 says. "Oh, I forgot about the knight check on f3."
Aug-08-11
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  beenthere240: BTW I think this is a very instructive little two-mover puzzle, regardless of what LMAJ may say about the game as a whole.
Aug-08-11  Marmot PFL: If my recollection is correct other players have had games removed. One player I know (also a life master) had some games on this site, including a fine win over a well known GM. Now only one of his games is left, a loss to an expert.

<What if the game is between two 1600 players? Let's say one of the players were Bobby Fischer or Anatoly Karpov. Now maybe they had that rating at age 5 or something but you get my point.>

The game might have historical interest, or an amateur might just produce an exceptional or at least entertaining game. Also even GMs play very badly at times (look at Kramnik today).

Aug-08-11  ajile: <beenthere240: BTW I think this is a very instructive little two-mover puzzle, regardless of what LMAJ may say about the game as a whole.>

You know not everyone here on the website is a master or even an expert. There are probably many beginners who can benefit from games like this. It's a family fork which every novice should learn.

Plus it's MONDAY and the puzzle is supposed to be very EASY. So it stands to reason the game might not necessarily be between Karpov and Kasparov.

Aug-08-11
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  kevin86: I didn't see any quick mate or queen sac-but I DID see the sac at d2,followed by the family check at f3.

Monday puzzles-gotta love 'em.

Aug-08-11  kingfu: Fork You!
Aug-08-11
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  Sneaky: Even though there is a lot "going on" in this puzzle, the only really active thing Black can think about doing is the winning move.
Aug-08-11
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  chrisowen: Very odd ace guessing bishop in led to his downfall it rook and knight map u caps.
Aug-08-11  Patriot: <Marmot PFL> Exactly! My coach has used positions from my games as puzzles and even in a book! Some GM games are played poorly so where should the line be drawn? There must also be some remarkable amateur games but they don't get noticed because they don't involve a titled player. I do think there should be some kind of standard because I don't think anyone wants the CG database to contain any and all games. For example, it wouldn't make sense to include games for players just learning the rules where it's clear they don't know how to play.

I think the database should contain games by titled players OR games that are played exceptionally well. This leaves games with historical importance (but may be poorly played) and also games by unknown players who had extraordinary games. But for puzzles, it makes no difference to me who played it or how the rest of the game went. If it matches the day of the week then that's all that matters to me.

Aug-08-11
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  Once: Yes but you've just got to love someone with a name like Anastasija Panic. Sounds like a James Bond baddie or femme fatale, like Fatima Blush or Xena Onatopp.

Even if it is pronounced "Paneetch" or something like that.

As to the puzzle itself, it's all been said. Whenever you have a chain of three pieces (attacker-target-defender), you always have the option of swapping the target and defender over. And that means that you should always be calculating what would happen if he plays "piece takes piece".

And to think that white's 21. Be2 suggested that he had spotted the tactic, only to forget it a couple of moves later. Ah, Mr Bond, I've been expecting you...

Aug-08-11  chaosart74: <You know not everyone here on the website is a master or even an expert. There are probably many beginners who can benefit from games like this. It's a family fork which every novice should learn.>

I am a beginner (rating est. around 1300's). Eventhough I saw the solution right away, I still kinda liked the puzzle. Afterwards though, when I saw how the game was played up till then, I was a little disappointed with white's 22nd move, the bishop moving away.

The contrast between the last two puzzles at least makes yesterday's puzzle even more beautiful.

Aug-08-11  garrido.benjamin: bad
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Aug-08-11
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  agb2002: <Patriot> Agreed. The quality of the game is more important than the ratings.

<CG> Some ideas to produce an automatic selection tool could be borrowed from http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail....

Aug-08-11
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  thegoodanarchist: <Sneaky: Even though there is a lot "going on" in this puzzle, the only really active thing Black can think about doing is the winning move.

chrisowen: Very odd ace guessing bishop in led to his downfall it rook and knight map u caps>

I agree with both of you!

This took all of 1 second for me to find. Monday makes me feel like a champ!

Aug-08-11
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  thegoodanarchist: And clearly 22. Nc4 is preferable to the move played.
Aug-08-11  WhiteRook48: this is crazy. duh, 22...Rxd2 23 Qxd2 Nf3+
Aug-08-11  stst: Easy and no Panic!

22..... RxN
IF (A):
23.QxR Nf3 (3-way fork:K,Q,R)

IF (B):
23.Q flees, still Nf3 forking K&R

At first I saw it difficult if it's W's move!!

Aug-09-11  Artsemthon: 22...Rxd2! and if 23.Qxd2, 23...Nf3+. If 23.Qb3 instead then still 23...Nf3+.
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