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Sep-28-09
 | | YouRang: Key points: (1) Black is threatening instant mate, and (2) our R+N are well-positioned for an Arabian mate against black -- if only we can get rid of the g6 bishop that is guarding h7. From (1), we know that we need a move that gives check, and from (2) we know that we want to eliminate the bishop. One move does both: 37.Qxg6+. Puzzle solved. :-) |
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Sep-28-09
 | | ZUGZWANG67: < <lzromeu>: I have aesthetical question about this kind of mate: Why Queen sacs? I don't understand what about the elegance of this move. Particulary, I even preffer to save the Queen.> I' m sorry, Lzromeu. I did not realize that the solution was not given in totality in the actual game. Here it is: 37.Qxg6+ hxg6 (37. ...Bg7 38.Qxg7 mate; or 37. ...Kh8 38.Qxh7 is also mate) 38.Nf6+ Kh8 39.Rxh7 is mate. 
click for larger viewThis mate is known as the ''Arabian mate''. In the actual game, one had to throw the Q to reach it. Now compare with 37.Nf6+ Kh8 38.Rxh7+ Bxh7.
click for larger viewas now the WQ does not have access to g8 for similar mate(although mirror type), that square being under control of the BB. Nothing is possible here. Peace! |
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| Sep-28-09 | | VincentL: 37. Qxg6+
(a) ......hxg6 38. Nf6+ Kh8 39. Rxh7 mate
(b) ......Kh8 38. Qxh7 mate
(c) ......Bg7 38. Qxg7 mate |
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Sep-28-09
| | A Karpov Fan: The Queen is blowing down the house again. |
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Sep-28-09
 | | playground player: OK, I know it's called an Arabian Mate, I saw it, and I sacrificed the Queen to get it. But what I don't know is WHY it's called the Arabian Mate. Can anybody tell me? |
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Sep-28-09
| | A Karpov Fan: I thought is was becasue of Arabs riding horses and elephants into battle. Or something like that. |
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Sep-28-09
| | MaxxLange: I have heard that this mate is discussed, with an illustration, in an old Arabian manuscript. |
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Sep-28-09
| | ZUGZWANG67: <<playground player>: OK, I know it's called an Arabian Mate, I saw it, and I sacrificed the Queen to get it. But what I don't know is WHY it's called the Arabian Mate. Can anybody tell me?> I read somewhere that it is related with the fact that the mate in question is delivered by the two only pieces that have kept their original mode of moving, invented by the ancient arabs. Peace! |
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Sep-28-09
 | | fm avari viraf: White after playing 37.Qxg6+ must have asked: Are you feeling Fine Dake? |
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Sep-28-09
| | wals: Black's moves 32...Kxf6 (h6) and
34...Qa4 (Rxd6)
were fine for Fine. |
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| Sep-28-09 | | ruzon: I didn't like Dake's choice of weakening his kingside pawns with 19...f6. I preferred Bd7 or Bf5. |
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| Sep-28-09 | | felixd: I love the Arabian mate :D |
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| Sep-28-09 | | WhiteRook48: this was so easy, 37 Qxg6+ hxg6 38 Nf6+ Kh8 39 Rxh7# |
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| Sep-28-09 | | e fred: I understand that the combination has been intiated at
30) Qa1
- Question: Is it a winner move ?
What if 30).... h6
White is in a better situation, but the combination seems to be impossible now. Is it correct ?
I think that Fine saw it and played hoping that Dake could fail in his analysis. And you, kibitzer's ? |
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Sep-29-09
 | | patzer2: <LIFE Master AJ> Good observation regarding 30. Qa1!! with the idea of 31. Qc1!, planning a neat discovered attack and clearance combination. If 36...Rd7, then I suppose 37. Rdc1  would be sufficient. |
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Sep-29-09
 | | Gilmoy: <ZUGZWANG67: ... the mate in question is delivered by the two only pieces that have kept their original mode of moving, invented by the ancient arabs.> Close enough. Arabs didn't invent (the ancient game that became) chess, but they did carry it from the Indo-China region to the borders of Europe. Arab mate is also possible in modern xiang chi (Chinese chess). |
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Sep-29-09
 | | kevin86: It's mate in three:
37  xg6+ hxg6 38  f6+  h8 39  h7#
An Arabian mate as a sequel to a queen sac!
DOUBLE PLAY! |
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Oct-13-09
| | mrsaturdaypants: Thanks <Manic>. I must have missed the rook capture. |
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| Apr-28-10 | | SpiritedReposte: Arabian mate has my vote as prettiest mate! Simple and pure. Smothered is cool too. |
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Sep-05-10
 | | chancho: Good ol Fine... he always could come up with such fine moves.. |
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Oct-21-11
| | AnalyzeThis: All puns aside, this is a beautiful combination by Reuben Fine. |
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Jan-21-12
 | | Eduardo Bermudez: Foresaw Fine this checkmate since moved 30. Qa1 ? |
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Jan-21-12
 | | Fusilli: <Eduardo> When he played 30.Qa1, maybe, but most definitely when he played 32.Nxf6. Nice finish, actually. |
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Apr-09-12
| | Eduardo Bermudez: Very nice finish !! |
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May-19-12
| | Eduardo Bermudez: Coherence, coordination and harmony in white moves !! |
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