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Magnus Carlsen vs Sergey Karjakin
Corus (2009)  ·  Slav Defense: Quiet Variation (D11)  ·  1/2-1/2
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Jan-23-09
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  tamar: sans queens, sans bishops, sans knights, sans everything!
Jan-23-09  sallom89: Carlsen will be botherd about not seeing Nxf8 in this game, and missing a winning position against Aronian in the past round.
Jan-23-09  sallom89: <jg63: ffs thats 400 chessbucks carlsons cost me this week>

LOL, I'd say bet on draws this tournament :D

Jan-23-09
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  Domdaniel: <Sallom89> I don't mean to nitpick, but I'm sure he *saw* Nxf8. He just didn't assess the resulting positions accurately.
Jan-23-09  notyetagm: A *tremendous* result for Karjakin.
Jan-23-09  percyblakeney: <I don't mean to nitpick, but I'm sure he *saw* Nxf8>

I wonder if he didn't miss it, he played unnecessarily quickly there and Nxf8 was after all clearly winning.

Jan-23-09  sallom89: <I wonder if he didn't miss it, he played unnecessarily quickly there and Nxf8 was after all clearly winning.>

If I was playing in his position then probably I would have spent more time analyzing this move.

Jan-23-09
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  Domdaniel: <If I was playing in his position then probably I would have spent more time analyzing this move.>

I agree. Plus, it also looked like the logical follow-on to his previous moves.

Jan-23-09  percyblakeney: <If I was playing in his position then probably I would have spent more time analyzing this move>

It was a bit of a Topalov day for Carlsen, some excellent attacking moves and then when he got winning positions he quickly played inferior moves without spending much time on them. But such things happen and this was at least a very entertaining game.

Jan-23-09  sallom89: <was at least a very entertaining game.>

I'm actually happy to follow it live, plus some great kibitzers here like you guys make it entertaining.

Jan-23-09  hedgeh0g: Carlsen gets swindled for the second time in a row...
Jan-23-09
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  Eyal: <I'm sure he *saw* [29.]Nxf8. He just didn't assess the resulting positions accurately.>

One line which might have been somewhat difficult to assess correctly is 29.Nxf8 <Kxf8> 30.Qxg7+ Ke7:


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And here, in order to see a clear win one has to spot 31.Bxh6! Qxb6 32.Qf8+ Kd7 33.Rg7.

Jan-23-09  percyblakeney: <And here, in order to see a clear win one has to spot 31.Bxh6! Qxb6 32.Qf8+ Kd7 33.Rg7>

Indeed far from trivial, even if I think Carlsen would find such a line in most cases also without using much time on it.

Jan-23-09  notyetagm: GM Shipov's excellent commentary: http://www.chessbase.com/news/2009/...
Jan-23-09  Augalv: Commentary at http://karjakin.blogspot.com/
Jan-23-09  drnooo: Wild Bill seems to be pointing to the north with his allusion to Ibsen. He was not trying to quote Hamlet, and if he was, then dom's mentioning that the quote comes from Hamlet is wrong. The royal Dane never said anything remotely like life is a tale told by an idiot. For anybody interested in whom the nod should have gone to (other than the Bard) dig it up. But it was not that melonheaded meloncholic revenge seeker who was but mad north by northwest, and at least knew a hawk from a handsaw.
Jan-24-09  shintaro go: <notyetagm> Yes, quite an interesting read from GM Shipov.

This game reminds me of another famous game where White misses the winning move, although in this case, Black goes on to win.

Topalov vs Kramnik, 2006

Jan-24-09  percyblakeney: <sallom89> Agreed, and if all posters were as friendly as you it would be even nicer to follow live games :-)
Jan-24-09
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  Eyal: <1. (0.53): 26.Nb6 Qxb6 27.Nd7[] Qb5 28.Nxf6+ Kh8[] 29.Ne4 Nf5 30.b3 Qd5 31.Kg1 Be7 32.Nc3 Qd6

2. = (-0.08): 26.Kg1>

<You aren't lost being down .53>

To put it in more human terms, after 26...Qxb6 27.Nd7 Qb5 28.Nxf6+ Kh8 29.Ne4 Nf5:


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Black's kingside is pretty safe, his pieces coordinate reasonably well, and White has several isolated pawns; so despite being the exchange up, White's win isn't so simple.

On the other hand, after Karjakin's 26...Ra7(?) Black has to give up the exchange in several lines under much less favorable circumstances. For example - 29.Nxf8 (as Carlsen should have played) Qxf8 30.Nd7 Nf6 31.Qxf5 exf5 32.Nxf8 Kxf8 33.d5 Ra8 34.dxc6 bxc6 35.Rac1:


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And here, with the position so much simplified and Black's pawn structure compromised, the win should be quite easy.

Jan-24-09
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  acirce: From ICC today (so referring to this game:)

verste-sort(C) kibitzes: Magnus was feeling very ill yesterday I heard

verste-sort(C) kibitzes: he said so on MSN to a friend of mine

verste-sort(C) kibitzes: he was surprised that he didn't lose actually

verste-sort(C) kibitzes: he didn't say anything about the actual game, just that he felt terrible physically

Jan-26-09  furrer: <acirce> at least where I come from, most chess players feel ill when they loose or draw players there are lower rated then them. Bent Larsen and the Fischer candidate match is a brilliant example. Perhaps he even was ill, and he's not the guy that whines whenever he losses 20 rating points, but Im really sick of all those MC fans who are whinning (no personal critic here). Lets just hope he gets in the real mood again and starts playing his game.
Jan-26-09
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  Domdaniel: <drnooo> You don't mean *me*, I trust. I know the Scottish Play practically by heart, and could certainly unspool great chunks of MacBetamax if I thought it relevant.

It wasn't, and I didn't. Not that that usually stops me.

It's a pity that games like this get forgotten so easily. Given how frequently these guys play - and presumably will in the future - it's easy to see this encounter vanishing into the databases, marked down as just another draw. And people are much less likely to check out drawn games than decisive ones.

Those of us who watched it unfold live witnessed something special - a real chess struggle, with all the drama a bardophile could wish for.

Apr-06-09  notyetagm: 26 ?


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26 ♘c4-b6! <knight fork>


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(VAR)
26 ... ♕d8x♘b6? <deflection: d7, decoy: b6>


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♘e5-d7 <knight fork>


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Oct-18-09
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  Eyal: Position after 34...g6:


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Looking at all the commentaries that pointed out how Carlsen missed a win here with <35.Qxg6 Rxh4+ 36.Kg2 Nd6>, I found only the continuation <37.d5!> with the idea of Bc5 & Kf1. There's actually a second nice winning idea that Carlsen missed - <37.Rh1!> Now <37...Nf5> might seem to hold everything together for Black:


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38.Rxh4?? Nxh4+ loses the queen; 38.Rgh3 Rxh3 39.Rxh3 Qg7 leads only to a draw, and so does 38.Bxh6 Qxh6 39.Qxf5 Rxh1, where White has nothing better than to force a perpetual with 40.Qe5+ Kh7 41.Qf5+ etc.

However, White has the winning shot <38.Qxf5!!> Qxf5 39.Rxh4, and next Black would have to give up the queen for a rook.

Jun-30-11  notyetagm: Game Collection: CARLSEN'S MASTERFUL KNIGHT PLAY
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