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Gata Kamsky vs Veselin Topalov
Topalov - Kamsky Candidates Final (2009), Sofia BUL, rd 2, Feb-18
Spanish Game: Berlin Defense. Beverwijk Variation (C65)  ·  0-1
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Gata Kamsky vs Veselin Topalov (2009)
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Feb-19-09
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  Eyal: Btw, Mig Greengard provides the full time-per-move log at http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt...
Feb-19-09  acirce: Yes, Kamsky admitted that he simply missed 21..Rc7 I think. <ivan999> linked to a translation of http://topsport.ibox.bg/news/id_363...
Feb-19-09  alfa.vimapa: I think this game is just a sample of what is going to happen in the match Topalov-Kamsky, poor Gata!
Feb-19-09  attack and destroy: Both games showed such an exeptional talent is Gata. This 10 years out of active chess are heavy burden on him. But the guy got education unlike many top chess players who can't do anything else but play chess.
Feb-19-09  notyetagm: <acirce: Yes, Kamsky admitted that he simply missed 21..Rc7 I think.>

21 ... ♖f7-c7!! (Marin)


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Feb-19-09  outplayer: <Ladolcevita> Yes Toppy proved he is very well prepared for Gata. Come Gata come.
Feb-19-09  kingsindian2006: <whatthefat> i enjoyed reading ure comment on top level chess about chess and clockwork.. good stuff..good games bring out good comments as well.. got to love the royal game
Feb-20-09  percyblakeney: <I don't think 21...Rc7 deserves two !s>

Pein at TWIC doesn't give it anything, but instead 17. ... Rf7 gets a double exclamation mark, at the same time as he writes that Nexf4 would have been better, slightly unusual evaluation.

Feb-20-09  whiskeyrebel: I'm a Kamsky fan, but I must applaud Topalov for taking advantage of Kamsky's poor clockwork in textbook fashion. It was very frustrating for many of us to watch. Deep breath..aahhhhh. I'm ready for another game.
Feb-20-09  blacksburg: is it really the "Berlin" if black doesn't go into the "Berlin Wall" proper? and plays ...Bc5 instead?
Feb-20-09
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  plang: In his book "Offbeat Spanish" Fleat refers to this line as the Classical Berlin - it is a hydrid of the Classical (3..Bc5) and the Berlin (3..Nf6).
Feb-21-09  Poisonpawns: 3..Bc5 is known as Cordel`s defense in the ruy 3..Nf6 Berlin: The Classical Defence or Cordel Defence (ECO C64), 3...Bc5, is possibly the oldest defence to the Ruy Lopez, and is still played occasionally. White's most common reply is 4.c3 when Black may choose to play 4...f5, the Cordel Gambit. This often leads to quite messy positions and a sharp drop in the number of draws in comparison to other reasonable 4th moves for Black. More solid is 4.c3 Nf6, when 5.0-0 0-0 6.d4 Bb6 leads to the Benelux Variation. White's principal alternative to 4.c3 is 4.0-0.
Feb-21-09  Bautismo: I'm not so good in chess so for me this opening looks to me as a mine field
Aug-07-09  kingfu: I think the Berlin involves Nf6 without a6. Is Topalov rated over 2800?? That would put him into some exclusive company!! Fischer never made 2800!
Mar-04-10  tentsewang: I don't see why Kamsky didn't move his knight on move 22. Nxc8. Any suggestions please write a brief note, thank you!
Mar-04-10  rapidcitychess: <kingfu> Nxe5 WITH a6 is the open Ruy.
Mar-04-10  Pyke: <tentsewang: I don't see why Kamsky didn't move his knight on move 22. Nxc8. Any suggestions please write a brief note, thank you!>

I am just guessing here - since I am not a strong player after all -, but I think that:

Black can simply take with the rook and double on the c file and if White follows and takes the Knight on e6, Black gets very good compensation.

After: 22. Nxc8 Rxc8 23. Rxe6 Rxc2.

- Whites Bishop is attacked and has no good sqares
- Black has a dangerous passed pawn on the d file that threatens to advance and somehow cramps White - moreover White's pieces seem to lack harmony while Black's counterparts are active. Especially the Black rook on the second rank which threatens some pawns.

Hope this helps and makes some sense ...

Mar-04-10
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  Eisenheim: <tentsewang> - positionally the swap of the attacking knight for a passive bad bishop doesn't make a lot of sense there. if white still had the white bishop it may make sense to give light square dominance, but 22 Nxc8 looks like it gives up more than it gets
Mar-04-10  weepingwarrior: kingfu, your right about Fischer never making 2800. But when he won 19 games in a row against the worlds best, he was playing at a 3000+ clip!
Mar-05-10  weepingwarrior: That's not to bad for Fischer being the early 1970's. The 2800 mark wasn't made for 20 years after that!
Mar-05-10  weepingwarrior: He was a 2785 in the 197o's for petes sake! There's alot of players today, even Kamsky, that would love to be an 2785 player.
Mar-05-10  weepingwarrior: Fischer was 20 years ahead of his time!
Mar-05-10  weepingwarrior: Notice Topolov's rating! 2796 and this game is 36 years later!
Mar-05-10  Alfa110: Interesting game.
Jul-25-15  ahmadov: While playing this game on Guess the Move, the puzzle of the game for me was why Kamsky did not play 22.Nxc8. This question has already been asked in this forum as well, but some users here say that 22.c4 was a better move. The engine I use does not agree with this and confirm that 22.Nxc8 was definitely a better move than 22.c4. In other words, move 22 was another one where Kamsky made a mistake.
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