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Gata Kamsky vs Veselin Topalov
Topalov - Kamsky Candidates Final (2009), Sofia BUL, rd 6, Feb-24
Caro-Kann Defense: Advance. Short Variation (B12)  ·  1/2-1/2


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Feb-24-09  Phaedo: I think Topalov's strategy in playing 31...Qd2 and 32...Nb4 was to bring up complications for Kamsky who didn't have a whole lot of time on the clock. He had at least a draw in hand the whole time. That's not bad strategy.
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Feb-24-09  eisenherz: Draw after a defeat was not so bad for Kamsky. He is still alive in the match.
Feb-24-09  Crowaholic: If Toppy wins on Thursday, my Topalov 4.5 Kamsky 2.5 maximum bet will come to fruition. :-)
Feb-24-09  Parsdeclined: eisenherz: Draw after a defeat was so bad for Kamsky. A defeat would be even worse and he never really looked like getting anything out of this game at any stage
Feb-24-09  Ulhumbrus: At move 13, Kamsky may have missed a chance to gain the advantage. 13 cxd5?! draws Black's N on e7 in to the superb square d5. Instead of this 13 Bc5! offers a pawn on e5. If Black accepts it, on 13...Nxe5 14 Nxe5 Bxe5 15 cxd5! threatens 16 Bb5+ giving Black no time for 15...Nxd5. If on 13 Bc5 Black declines the pawn and castles, on 13..0-0 14 Bd6 defends the e5 pawn a second time, and if Black does not exchange pawns on c4, the pawn advance c4-c5 may follow.
Feb-24-09  marcwordsmith: I predict Kamsky wins on Thursday with Black.
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  whiteshark: <Draw! <Draw! <Draw! <Draw! <Draw! <Draw!>>>>>> I've to cool off my excitement somehow.
Feb-24-09  talisman: caro-kann advance always brings back memories of '61. is 11...g6 a novelty?...anyway the caro kann won't go willy loman once said, "what's the 'antsirr.'".
Feb-24-09  Goldengab: A line with trap for white:

23. Qd2 Rhc8 24. h5 g5 25. Nxg5 Rxc1 26. Rxc1 Rxc1+ 27. Qxc1 hxg5 28. Qxg5+ (and now anywhere the king goes is finish)

And if 24. h5 gxh5 an interesting idea could be 25. Rxc5 Rxc5 26. Kg2 with Rook going to h1.

Anyway, is just my opinion, I'm not a GM!

Feb-24-09  Inf: This is why i like Topalov very much. Playing a la Fischer. Equal material at the end but playing for a win declining the trade of queens.

I would be ashamed to force a draw playing white!

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  Eyal: <Goldengab: A line with trap for white:

23. Qd2 Rhc8 24. h5 g5 25. Nxg5 Rxc1 26. Rxc1 Rxc1+ 27. Qxc1 hxg5 28. Qxg5+ (and now anywhere the king goes is finish)>

Yes, but Black doesn't have to exchange the rooks; he can simply play 25...hxg5 immediately, and then 26.Qxg5+ Kh7 27.h6 (which would win in the line above) Rg8 holds. If white inserts Rxc5 Black recaptures with the queen, to keep the rook on the back rank.

Feb-24-09  AnalyzeThis: Short absolutely refused to look at 23. h5, because it would have been a little detail that interferred with his preconceived notion that black was better right out of the opening.
Feb-24-09  parisattack: < talisman: caro-kann advance always brings back memories of '61. is 11...g6 a novelty?...anyway the caro kann won't go willy loman once said, "what's the 'antsirr.'". >

No, not going away. I always considered it insipid but never had any real success against it. I tried the B-P attack, 4. c4 in the Advance and nada. Best I found was 2. c4, double exchange on d5 and leaving the QP behind for awhile to develop quickly.

White has to be careful as the endgames can really favor Black...

Feb-24-09  notyetagm:

<14.Bc5 Bf8 <<<[14...Nxe5?? 15.Nxe5 Bxe5 16.Bb5+ ]>>>>

<16.Bxf8 Nd4 <<<[16...Nxe5?? 17.Bb5+ Kxf8 18.Qh6+ Ke7 19.Nxe5 ]>>>>

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  An Englishman: Good Evening: One interesting detail is that in the past, Topalov has only played the C-K in five year intervals--1998, 2003 and 2008. He has now broken that pattern.

Now, if only he'd say that my beloved Caro-Kann was the best defense of them all...

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  acirce: Apparently Kamsky offered a draw on move 30, and Topalov rightly declined.
Feb-25-09  andrewleef1: lol this is the first time putting a diagram in but... White to play and mate in 3.

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Feb-25-09  Andrijadj: g3-whatever
Kb6 and Re8 mates,if b1Q then Kc7 and Ra6 mates...
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  Nigel Short: 1.Qb1 - and it took me about 5 seconds :)
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  Nigel Short: And by the way, <Andrijadj's> solution 1.g3 fails to b1=Q 2.Kc7+ Ka7! and there is no mate.
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  Jack Kerouac: Topalov played this Caro so sweet it was like Caro syrup.
Feb-26-09  andrewleef1: wow, 5 seconds. That's quick
Feb-26-09  znprdx: Makes one wonder what these elite players actually see. It seems to me that 38.Kh3 wins in all the obvious lines...even if Qf5+ After the Queen exchange Nb2! White creates a QS majority which seems decisive- any computer assistance here would be welcome.
Feb-26-09  Riverbeast: <It seems to me that 38.Kh3 wins in all the obvious lines>

I'm assuming that you want to play 39. Nd6 after 38...Qxb3 (or 39. Qf6+ and 40. Nd6)

But in both cases, black can defend with ...Qf3

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