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O'Dell vs Raymond Keene
"Dude, You're Getting O'Dell!" (game of the day Jul-02-2009)
British Schools match (1966), ?
Sicilian Defense: Dragon Variation. Yugoslav Attack Modern Line (B76)  ·  0-1
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Jul-02-09
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  WannaBe: If you don't get the pun, it is an 'old' commercial from Dell computer, where the pitch (sells guy) says: "Dude, you're getting a Dell!"

(Too lazy to go to youtube and get a link... =)

Jul-02-09  MostlyAverageJoe: As opposed to the last 3 games of the day, this time I could not find a good puzzle position in this game.

Keene missed a pretty forced mate in 5 from this position after 32.Ka1:


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but at this point he was completely winning anyway, so it did not really matter. The forced mate was:

32. ... Bd5+ 33. Kb1 Bxe4+ 34. Kc1 Bf4+ 35. Qe3 Qc5+ 36. Kd2 Qc2#

Final position:


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Jul-02-09  AniamL: haaaaahahaha, awesome pun.
Jul-02-09  death and glory: so many blunders in white's play.
i think black did his job against a weak player.
but in life we are sometimes need to do our basic work as well- not just the brilliant things.
Jul-02-09  xmensbeast: Nice to see another Keene game as GOTD. I only wish more of his games were covered.

My own Wish is that they don't americanise all the puns as us other folk don't get them.

Jul-02-09
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  Jim Bartle: Such as making jokes referring to former SF Giants pitcher Billy O'Dell?
Jul-02-09  nd792001: a pretty and crushing forced mate found by <<MostlyAverageJoe>> above -- thanks!
Jul-02-09  Big Easy: I know white makes plenty of bad moves but wouldn't 14. Kb1 be better than the move played, 14. a3 ? Later in the game Keene takes advantage of a check on the white king because it's still on c1.
Jul-02-09  spatiotemporal: "redmaninaustin" may or may not be an unimaginative poster "agentrgent" but he does have a point. Ray Keene is surely a wonderful chess player and commentator, but these games of the day do give the impression he's never lost a game worth commenting on. How about commenting on a well fought battle you've come off worst in Mr. Keene!
Jul-02-09  zelvez: 14. a3 was poor indeed, but frankly, I don't see anything better to keep 'a' pawn alive. If 14. Kb1 Nxe4! would end it quickly.

Clearly, White failed to solve the problem of central pawns. I guess both 10. exd5 and 10. e5 were better that the text moves.

Jul-02-09
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  playground player: <Jim Bartle> Harvey Kuenn would've batted against Billy O'Dell when they were both in the American League. Wonder how he did.

Meanwhile, why should Mr. Keene be knocked because his opponent played badly? Surely CG, not Ray Keene, chooses which games to post as GOTD. If CG wanted to, I'm sure they could post a game in which Keene lost to an opponent who played brilliantly.

I can't help thinking of Adolf Anderssen's answer to the press, when they asked him why he didn't show his typical brilliancy against Paul Morphy: "Mr. Morphy wouldn't let me."

Maybe Mr. Keene just doesn't let his opponents play brilliantly.

Jul-02-09
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  AgentRgent: <spatiotemporal> As far as I can tell, GM Keene didn't "comment" on this game at all. I suspect it was chosen as GOTD simply for the pun. It's hardly Keene's fault if 1) The white player didn't play very well & 2) CG.com chose the game for a GOTD. I simply didn't see any need for redmaninaustin to be needlessly snarky.
Jul-02-09
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  kevin86: The white king gets chased from pillow to post...
Jul-02-09
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  ray keene: in those far off days before computers we quite often didnt beat our brains searching for for the fastest mate in overwhelming positions - we just went for the fastest clear win-nowadays i think that in completely winning positions players take just a little more time to look for forced mates which the computer will inevitably discover if they are there.

i think that it shd also be borne in mind that this was a school match between two kids-i wasnt a gm at the time at all and my opponent was a promising junior county player of similar age to me.in spite of that, i still think that this double rook offer in quick succession has its attractive points. i was quite proud of the game at the time. remember also that much dragon theory remained uninvented at that time!

finally , if kibbitzers wd like to seee some of my losses just go to the home page, type in <keene> and <first player loses> and you will find over 100 of my losses on instant display!!

Jul-02-09
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  Once: Fritzie finds...

After 18.Rg1,


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Instead of 18...b5, black could have gained a strong advantage with 18...Rxd4 19. Qxd4 Nd5 or 19. Rxd4 Qc5. Both eval at over -2.00

After 21...Qa4,


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White would have reduced his losses by 22. c3 (-1.2) instead of 22. Bf3 (-2.45).

And finally 29. Ka1? makes a grisly position into a lost position.

Nicely played game, Ray. Good to see the dragon winning - I always have a soft spot for that opening!

Jul-02-09  talisman: billy o'dell from South Carolina. Baltimore Orioles. San Francisco Giants. Never spent a day in the minors. switch hitting pitcher who threw left-handed and played chess right handed. Please add to his Bio if appropriate.
Jul-02-09  Big Easy: I always enjoy the analysis by Mr. Keene. I find it very insightful to understand why a GM plays the moves that he does and the reasoning behind them.
Jul-02-09  totololo: I think that Keene had better games to show....
Jul-02-09  WhiteRook48: even funnier if O'Dell's nickname was "Mauled"
Jul-02-09
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  zenpharaohs: By chance I saw a local player today at an ice cream parlor. He's not yet 12 but rates about 1500 and is rising quickly. When I got home I thought to myself why not have his games on chessgames.com? Then I could track his progress.

When I saw this game I realized that it was between developing players (although I don't know what level "British Schools" would translated into from 1966). And it occurs to me that maybe it is better that young players who are not yet really strong don't have their games available for public kibbitzing....

Jul-04-09
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  ray keene: i would strongly expect a game played by 2 schoolkids in 1966 to be open to improvement by computers in 2009! on the other hand i see nothing wrong with publication of games by developing players if it helps to dig out the truth .
Jul-05-09
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  Once: Surely, CG.com is not just about showing the best games, but a selection of interesting games? We can probably learn more from games at a more humble level than if we tried to develop only by studying the games of today's super GMs.

I see nothing wrong with showing games from two juniors (at the time), as long as there is something interesting to see.

And there is also nothing wrong with kibitzing about them. Finding a computer-assisted improvement many years does not diminish the efforts and achievements of the original players.

Jul-06-09
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  ray keene: agreed on all counts!
Mar-09-11  scormus: As I play over this game and read the comments I'm reminded of the expectation we (the public) come to have when we watch televised sport. You watch someone from an amateur league matched against a full professional and they can look as though they hardly know what they're doing, but if youre a hobby player and you go up against one .....

I see Ray was rated 2455 (that was current at the time, was it?) which must have given him an enormous margin against almost any other schoolboy in the country. I'd guess school players much over 2000 (or equiv) at the time would have been rather thin on the ground. O'Dell's remembered book knowledge might have faltered at about move 9 or 10, and this was exposed by B's moves, making it difficult to find good moves after that. A weaker player than Ray might have gone 9 ... Bd7 which (I think) allows W to transpose back to familiar territory, 10 Bc4 etc

<Once> I agree, what's interesting about such games it demonstrating how playing quite plausible moves can get you into difficulties, especially in these sharp line. I think most of us have been there ....

BTW, I knew Jim (O'Dell) at the time. He was one of the strongest schoolboy players in the county and would easily have beaten someone like me.

Nov-02-12  US255: A postscript. This game was played in the quarter final of the Sunday Times schools championship.

Back in the 1960s there was relatively little coaching of junior chess players in the UK; and, of course, Fritz and his cohorts had yet to transform the world of chess. There is therefore nothing to add to Ray Keene's apt comments (except perhaps to thank my lucky stars that my game that day was never published).

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