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|Apr-05-09|| ||miseiler: Or perhaps because the game is entertaining. The nerve!|
|Apr-05-09|| ||playground player: This is the kind of game that could make you give up chess, if you were on the receiving end of it.|
|Apr-05-09|| ||goodevans: <kozo: <goodevans> Rf3 instead of Rf5 in your line keeps the rook safe ...>|
I looked at 37 ... Rxe5 38 Rf3 but couldn't see a clear win after 38 ... Rh5 39 Rh3 Ra5. That's why I started looking at 38 Rf5.
I reckon the R is <safe> on f5 (38 ... Rxf5 39 Nxf5 Re8 40 Qh4+ Kg8 41 Ne7+ Rxe7 42 fxe7 and the pawn will queen) and blocks the R from returning to h5, which makes the treat of Qh4# devastating.
|Apr-05-09|| ||returnoftheking: Terrible game of Black. White didn't have to play particularly good, that's why Keene won it probably.
CG gives him a little above 2500 as highest rating achieved. That is pretty weak for a GM, not?|
|Apr-05-09|| ||apple pi: <returnoftheking> 2500 was outstanding when Keene achieved it, its only because of rating inflations that we have several GMs in the 2800 area.|
|Apr-05-09|| ||whiteshark: <YoungEd: <I guess maybe 20...Qd7 would have been a bit better; protecting the c8 rook would take the sting out of the game move 21. Nxd5.>> 20...Qd8 is also possible.|
|Apr-05-09|| ||goodevans: <returnoftheking: ...CG gives him [Keene] a little above 2500 as highest rating achieved. That is pretty weak for a GM, not?>|
He was never the strongest player in the World, but in the 70s a rating of ~2500 was perfectly acceptable for a GM. You risk opening up whole can of worms about whether “rating inflation” is an artefact of the Elo system or whether it merely reflects the increased strength of today’s players.
Several players and statisticians have attempted to come up with fair ways of comparing ratings from different eras, and one such attempt is described in the book “Warriors of the Mind” by a certain <Raymond Keene> (and Nathan Divinsky).
|Apr-05-09|| ||goodevans: <apple pi: ... its only because of rating inflations that we have several GMs in the 2800 area.>|
See what I mean!
|Apr-05-09|| ||Shams: GM Keene spent years in the world top 100.|
|Apr-05-09|| ||returnoftheking: I see chessmetrics even places him no:56 of the world in 1970. |
<Evans> I'd rather not read yet another "book" by Keene but do you know at what rank Keene places himself?
|Apr-05-09|| ||parmetd: still this is a pretty good game. Super Knight!|
|Apr-05-09|| ||Pawnage: Pin city.|
|Apr-05-09|| ||DarthStapler: Nice game|
|Apr-05-09|| ||WhiteRook48: no Hope for black|
|Apr-05-09|| ||xrt999: I dont think that you can give yourself a exclamatiory point, someone else has to give it to you. I thought that was a rule.|
|Apr-05-09|| ||ray keene: i am happy to be placed where the ranking systems placed me-they are reasonably objective. as for exclams in annotations-i dont recall this restriction applying to anyone who annotates his/her own games-exclams and question marks simply imply a good or bad move.|
|Apr-05-09|| ||apexin: <Sneaky> yes this is a good system i recently played a game in that line and i dont think black has major problems after 6.d5.|
|Apr-06-09|| ||tivrfoa: this is a good discution.
What is the minimun rating to become a GM?
|Apr-06-09|| ||bystanderz: <apexin> I wouldn't call it a "good system". Black can be okay, but only if white doesn't know what his doing and plays e4 on move four. If white instead plays 4. Nf3! (stopping ... e5) Bf5 5. Qb3 and later follow up with Nc3 and only then e4, he has all the chances.|
|Apr-06-09|| ||kevin86: I could just picture Mr. Keene constantly yelling to his opponent --"Give up,Hope!"-lol|
A good game where all the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't stop the two passed pawns.
|Apr-06-09|| ||Jim Bartle: Shouldn't it be "Abandon Hope"? ("All ye who enter here")|
|Apr-07-09|| ||Sneaky: <xrt999: I dont think that you can give yourself a exclamatiory point> An exclamation point isn't like a GM norm, they are just little notes to help draw the reader's attention to pivotal points in the game. Different annotators have a different style with them. Pandolfini in his beginner's books gives the coveted double exclamation point to the most mundane of opening sacrifices. In "60 Memorable Games" Fischer gave himself plenty of exclamation points, and deserved every one. Kasparov was well known for analyzing his games and awarding himself the double-exclamation point very liberally. So no, there's no such tradition, but it goes without saying that if you annotate a game (whether yours or somebody else's) you should try to do it objectively.|
|Apr-07-09|| ||Sneaky: <apexin> By the way, I mentioned a "queen sacrifice" which has very little to do with this game, but it's a sideline in the opening that Keene avoided. It's great when it works but like I implied previously, it only works when you're playing a fish who is stumbling into Marhsall's Defense without actually knowing how to play it. Just to illustrate see D Genz vs D Boehmer, 1985. I can't count the number of blitz games I've won with that very tactic (Nxe5!).|
|Apr-07-09|| ||ROO.BOOKAROO: 11. Rb1 seemed mysterious to me at this stage. What was Keene expecting? Then a little later, we see 23. Rbd1, with the Rb1 stopover having proved of no use. Perhaps Ray Keene will come back and explain. Thanks in advance by a faithful reader of his London Times column, and formerly his IHT column. When the IHT terminated his column, I ended my own subscription.|
|Apr-07-09|| ||ray keene: <sneaky> yes i have also used a variation of this trap-for example i have a win here on chessgames.com against the noted endgame study composer and problemist e. fielder who used to be a member of battersea chess club where i also played.|
<roo.bookaroo> thanks for your loyalty-i dont even know if the iht has a chess column any more-as to my rb1 in this game-i fully intended to advance with b4 at some point to implement a minority attack-as it was black erred before the minority attack could start to roll -so it was no longer necessary to win with b4 when a central push seemed more devastating.
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