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Sergey Karjakin vs Gata Kamsky
4th FIDE Grand Prix (2009), Nalchik RUS, rd 7, Apr-22
French Defense: Winawer. Poisoned Pawn Variation Main Line (C18)  ·  1-0
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Apr-22-09
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  Marmot PFL: An unlucky loss for Kamsky. <Pleasant position(s) has one big trap, too many attractive continuations is connected to huge time consuming, most likely this is what happened to Kamsky, he just couldn't figure out how to continue since there are too many promising lines.Like a famous story with a hungry donkey with two stacks of hay in front of him, he couldn't make a choice and eventually starved to death.> Black was winning as late as move 30 <30..Nd3 is winning 31.Rxb7 d1=Q 32.Rxd1 Rxf3!> before losing on time on move 32.
Apr-22-09  ILikeFruits: seriously...
kamsky should...
not play...
the french...
Apr-22-09  Ezzy: Karjakin Sergey - Kamsky Gata [C18]
4th FIDE Grand Prix Nalchik Nalchik (7), 22.04.2009

1.e4 e6 <Kamsky only started playing the French defence during his match against Topalov, and has subsequently been having a nightmare of a time with it. I wonder if he will persevere with it.> 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 c5 5.a3 Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 Ne7 7.Qg4 cxd4 8.Qxg7 Rg8 9.Qxh7 Qc7 10.Ne2 Nbc6 11.f4 dxc3 12.Qd3 d4 13.Ng3 <This is better than 13 Nxd4 as it strives for the initiative with Ne4 Nd6+ with active piece play, filling in the gaps that the over extended pawns have left.> 13...Bd7 14.Be2 0𢠢 15.00 <3 games in the database with this position, (white winning all 3) so it must have been familiar to both players. 15... Nf5 15...Ng6 and 15...Rdf8 have all been tried >15...Qb6< So this seems to be a novelty.> 16.Ne4 Nd5 17.Nd6+ Kb8 18.Nxf7 Rdf8 19.Nd6 Nce7 20.Bf3 Bc6< [20...Nxf4?? 21.Bxf4 Rxf4 22.Rfb1 Winning]> 21.a4< With the idea 22 a5 Qc7(22,,,Qc5?? 23 Ba3) 23 Qxd4 >21...Nb4 22.a5 Qc5 23.Qh7 d3+ 24.Kh1 d2< [24...Nc8 25.Ba3 Rh8 26.Bxb4 Qxb4 27.Qxd3 Qxf4 28.h3 Rxh3+ 29.gxh3 Bxf3+ 30.Qxf3 Qxf3+ 31.Rxf3 Rxf3 32.Kg2 Seems to lead to a draw]> 25.Bxd2 cxd2 26.Qxe7 Rxf4 27.Rab1?< [27.c4 a6 28.h3 Rxf3 29.Rxf3 Qxe5 30.Raf1 Bxf3 31.gxf3 Qg7 32.Qxg7 Rxg7 Seems like a draw]> 27...Rgf8? <[27...Qxc2 28.Bxc6 Qxc6 29.Rg1 Rf2 30.Qxb7+ Qxb7 31.Nxb7 Kxb7 32.Rxb4+ Kc6 33.Rd4 Rg5 and black has big winning chances]> 28.c4 a6 <To stop the strong 29 a6. Obviously black can't play 28...Qxa5 because of 29 Nxb7> 29.h3 <[29.Qg7 Rxf3 30.Rxf3 Rxf3 31.Qg8+ Ka7 32.Nc8+ Draw] >29...Ka8 30.Qg7 Qe3?< [30...Nd3! 31.Rxb7 d1Q 32.Rxd1 Rxf3 33.Kh2 Rf2 34.Rd2 Rf1 35.Ra7+ Qxa7 36.Qxa7+ Kxa7 37.Rxd3 Winning for black. Kamsky was very short of time, and to sift through all the complex variations was near impossible.]> 31.Kh2 d1Q??< [31...Rb8 32.Bxc6 bxc6 The game remains complex, but black is still alive ]> 32.Rbxd1< Should win, but at a slower pace.[32.Bxc6 is immediate resignation for black. Kamsky oversteps the time limit anyway. > 10

An extremely complex game. It's outcome was dependant on who would make the final big mistake in time trouble. Unfortunately it was Kamsky, who seemed to have so many ways to win. He's having a torrid time with his new French defence. Perhaps this game wont put him off it completely, but he's losing a lot of games with it.

Apr-22-09  Nina Myers: Idle hands spend time at the geniustals, and you know how much God hates that. Flagged
Apr-22-09  Augalv: Commentary at: http://karjakin.blogspot.com/
Apr-22-09  messachess: I think <Nina Myers> needs to have a talk with <jessicafischerqueen>
Apr-22-09  whatthefat: I still don't understand how 2700+ players like Kamsky and Ivanchuk can habitually handle their time worse than the average club player. Managing time is just as important as analysis - it's completely outrageous to spend a couple of hours on high quality analysis for 30 moves, leaving only seconds to play the remaining 10 moves. Frankly, I don't know how such deficient players can survive at the top level, and I suspect it has more than a little to do with why Kamsky and Ivanchuk have always fallen just short of challenging for World Champion.

Kamsky of all people should know better. He just lost what could well be his last serious shot at a world championship on the clock.

Apr-22-09  blacksburg: <I still don't understand how 2700+ players like Kamsky and Ivanchuk can habitually handle their time worse than the average club player.>

i agree. this has always been mindboggling to me.

Apr-22-09  Gambyt: Me too...Kamsky spent like 40 minutes on move 4 of a Ruy Lopez in the Topa match. What was he thinking about? Calculating variations? I couldn't understand it.
Apr-23-09  kellmano: Me three. You'd've thought a coach could resolve this. It is clearly illogical behaviour.

Possibly it is like in soccer though when a weaker team scores first against a stronger. It always annoyed me why teams sat back in defence, inviting the other team on, as this just gives the stronger team more opportunities to attack and no fears about defence. Turns out, this is not a ever a policy from the manager, but rather a psychological reaction from the players on the pitch.

Apr-23-09  Ezzy: I suppose it is something to do with confidence or no confidence in your analysis. Kamsky finished last in the blindfold section of the Amber tournament, and so it seems doesn't see things as clearly as other top players. If you get lost in your minds eye during analysis, this may lead to constant re-checking of variations.

Nobody wants to make a mistake that leads to a loss, so Kamsky consumes a lot of time checking and re-checking his cloudy analysis. Just a thought.

Apr-23-09
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  tamar: Part of it is that Kamsky habitually champions "lost causes". He gets awful looking positions, but threads his way through in death defying fashion.

The trouble is the wins he has are still dependent on only moves, and he is lacking confidence, as <Ezzy> just said, in closing the deal.

Apr-23-09
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  extremepleasure2: It is obvious that Kamsky is mentally very tired because of the very long games he played in the earlier rounds. That explains his poor performance in this game. I hope he can quickly overcome the psychological impact of losing such a game.
Apr-23-09  SimonWebbsTiger: there could be another explanation. He was very tired and drained when he missed the stalemate the other day, so when he heard about it, it just irritated the heck out of him. What happens in a tourney can influence one's play.
Apr-23-09
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  notyetagm: MONOKROUSSOS annotates: http://chessmind.powerblogs.com/fil...
Apr-23-09
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  Domdaniel: I think it's the other way round. Top players are confident in their ability to bash out good moves at high speed, while lesser players start to get nervous with 10 minutes on the clock. Occasional losses on time by Kamsky & co just show how fine the margins are.

Apart from that, I'm glad to see the French back in action again - despite these disturbing white wins.

Apr-23-09
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  acirce: Kamsky is now 0/4 with the French since he started playing it - though it could easily have been 2.5/4 or even better.
Apr-23-09  superstoned: yeah, kamsky manages to achieve winning positions, which helps as a little consolation to all the painful defeats.
Apr-23-09  whatthefat: Okay, but confidence aside, pragmatic clock usage is one of the first things an amateur player must train. Sometimes one just has to accept playing a more solid move because there is not time to analyze a very dense tree of analysis. The simple practice of writing down the time taken on each move makes it clear <during the game> whether time is being budgeted correctly or not.

Now I'm not saying that I use the clock perfectly either, but I dare say I use it considerably better than Kamsky or Ivanchuk, and when I consider the amount of intense training they have undergone, I find that ridiculous. It's especially ridiculous given that I am often underconfident and double-checking lines as a result (and doing so at nowhere near the rate or precision of these beasts). There just comes a point when one has to accept a level of uncertainty in the analysis and play a move, because the alternative is ending up in a situation where you have to play 10 uncertain moves.

There's a great quote from Alekhine about a player's responsibilities to the clock:

"The fact that a player is very short of time is, to my mind, as little to be considered an excuse as, for instance, the statement of the law-breaker that he was drunk at the time he committed the crime.鈥

Apr-24-09  kurtrichards: Part of the game of chess is the chess clock. You play your opponent (human or computer) and you play your clock. You fell short of moves you lost. You fell short of time you lost.

Poor Gata. He lost more than half of his games due to time trouble. He needs second(s) on how to manage time. IMHO. :-)

Apr-24-09
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  notyetagm: <kurtrichards: ...Poor Gata. He lost more than half of his games due to time trouble. He needs second(s)>

Haha! Unintentional pun.

Gata needs more than seconds, he needs *minutes*. :-)

Apr-24-09
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  Domdaniel: <the statement of the law-breaker that he was drunk>

During my brief career as a law student I remember being taught the verdict of an 18th century judge:

"He that killeth a man while drunk, sober shall he hang."

May-26-09  Nina Myers: So call me when you're sober!
May-26-09  dovif: domdaniel

stay off the drugs

Oct-30-11  LIFE Master AJ: Good game by Karjakin ... not sure if he refuted Kamsky's set-up ... or matbe Gata just missed something.
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