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| Apr-16-12 | | remolino: Simple Monday, but you need to look more than 1 move ahead: White wins with:
18.Qxd8+ Nxd8, 19.Rxd8+ Bf8 20.Bh6 and Black better resign. |
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Apr-16-12
 | | Phony Benoni: Well that looks kind of obvious: <18.Qxd8+ Rxd8 19.Rxd8+ Bf8 20.Bh6>, and mate follows. Or does it? What happens after 20...Be6?
click for larger viewLooks like White comes out well ahead on material after 21.Rxf8+ Rxf8 22.Bxf8. Let's see, I make it rook and a piece. But it's not mate, unless I'm missing something. |
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| Apr-16-12 | | vinidivici: this is a win for white because material value. white could lose his queen but take many black's pieces. |
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Apr-16-12
 | | lost in space: I love Mondays!
18. Qxd8+ Nxd8 19. Rxd8+ Bf8 20. Rxf8+ Kg7 21. Rcxc8 Nxc8 22. Rg8+ Kf6 23. Nd7+ and White will win the queen in addition 
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| Apr-16-12 | | nottogoodbeginner: if Bf8 white takes with rook + then it's just a matter of wiping off blacks pieces |
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Apr-16-12
 | | sevenseaman: Equal.
First thoughts: Just being wary, I <have> slipped on Mondays. Wonder how this fine opportunity for a Q sac came about. It puts the game in White's lap. 18. Qxd8+ Nxd8 19. Rxd8+ and 1-0 a spite save later. |
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Apr-16-12
| | lost in space: uuuhhh, just checked the line with shredder ...and he does not take the queen but announce a mate after (from my diagram above) 23. Nd7+ Ke7 24. Rg7 Kd8 25. Bg5+ Kc7 26. Ne5!
click for larger viewMate in 9 announced from shredder, for example
26....Kb6 27. Be3+ Ka5 28. Nc4+ Kb4 29. Nf4 Nb6 30. Nd3+ Kb5 31. Nxb6 Qd6 32. a4+ Kc6 Bd5+ Qxd5 34. exd5 Kd6 35. Bf4#
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Apr-16-12
 | | gawain: 17...Rd8?? Yikes! Back rank mate starting with 18 Qxd8#. |
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| Apr-16-12 | | rilkefan: "Pech" means "bad luck" in German (from the same word meaning "pitch", and "Pechvogel" meaning "limed bird" hence bad-luck prone person, I think). Ending up in this position is worse than getting tarred and feathered. |
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Apr-16-12
| | sevenseaman: <Phony Benoni>
<18.Qxd8+ Rxd8 19.Rxd8+ Bf8 20.Bh6>, and mate follows. Or does it? What happens after 20...Be6?21.Rxf8+ Rxf8 22.Bxf8. Let's see, I make it rook and a piece. But it's not mate, unless I'm missing something.> There is some ambiguity about your move <21...Rxf8>. It looks to be 21...Qxf8. After 22. Bxf8 Rxf8 23. Bxe6 or some other jiggery pokery White has enough for a win. |
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| Apr-16-12 | | abuzic: 18.Qxd8+ Nxd8 19.Rxd8+ Bf8 20.Rxf8+ Kg7 21.Rf7+ Kh8 22.Bh6 Be6 23.Bxe6 Qd6 24.Nxa8 Nc6 25.Bb3 Qb4 <25...Nd8 26.Rc8> 26.Rc7 <26.Nb6 and 26.Rd7 are alternatives> |
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Apr-16-12
 | | rhickma4: 18.Qxd8+ Nxd8 19.Rxd8+ Bf8 20.Rxf8+ Kg7 21.Rf7+ Kh8 22.Rxe7 White has an overwhelming material and positional advantage. |
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Apr-16-12
 | | FSR: 18.Qxd8+ Nxd8 19.Rxd8+ Bf8 20.Bh6 (among other moves) looks pretty strong. |
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| Apr-16-12 | | BadKnight: Queensac? yes |
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Apr-16-12
 | | whiteshark: <35. Bf4#> The silicon chips inside my head gets switched to overload. |
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| Apr-16-12 | | TheaN: Monday 16 April 2012
<18.?>
Material: even
Candidates: <[Qxd8†]> Queen sac monday, yes. However, not your usual queen sac with mate combo that we usually endure on the first day of the week. White starts with saccing his queen for rook and knight with: <18.Qxd8† Nxd8> starting to interpose now will lead to mate, but will also lose the full rook for no compensation. <19.Rxd8†> in order not to be mated (19....Ng8 20.Rxg8‡ 1-0) black has to interpose with the bishop first, leading to destructive material loss justifying Qxd8†. <19....Bf8 20.Rxf8† Ng8 21.Rxg8† Kf6 22.Rxc8  > and white claims four pieces and a rook for the queen forced, was it not for the fact that black cannot save both the queen and the rook in this final position. Qd6 follow Rxa8 and black has only the queen left, Qxc8 leaves black with three pieces down. Fair enough, I'd say. |
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| Apr-16-12 | | TheaN: Oi. I missed the straightforward 19.Rxf8† Kg7, where white is forced to use both rooks to destroy that what is on the queenside. After 20.Rcxc8, black is in similar peril as after 19....Ng8, though white is a rook down. This leads to either a R+3 pieces vs Q, or 3 pieces vs R, both clearly won but not as thorough as what I posted. The cleanup is the same, however, and Qxd8† is strong regardless of what white wins. |
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Apr-16-12
 | | agb2002: The material is equal.
Black threatens 18... Rxd2.
The obvious move is 18.Qxd8+ Nxd8 19.Rxd8+ Bf8 (19... Ng8 20.Rxg8#) 20.Rxf8+ Kg7 21.Rf7+ Kh8 (21... Kg8 22.Rxe7+ Kf8 23.Rf7+ Ke8 24.Rxc8+, etc.) 22.Rxe7 Qd6 23.Nxc8 + - [R+2B+2N vs Q] (23... Rxc8 24.Rxc8+ and mate next). |
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Apr-16-12
| | mcguigan97: This is mate in 17:
18. Qxd8+ Nxd8 19. Rxd8+
(The actual game ends here)
19...Bf8 20. Rxf8+ Kg7 21. Rf7+ Kh8 22. Bh6 Be6 23. Bg7+ Kg8 24. Bxe6 Qd6 25. Rxe7+ Qxe6 26. Rxe6# Or similar |
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| Apr-16-12 | | gofer: I think this is a case of a queen sacrifice that wins, not mates
and so is far more fun/challenging that our usual Monday fare! <18 Qxd8+ ...>
18 ... Ng8 19 Qxg8# or Bf8 19 Qxf8+ 20 Ng8 Qxg8#
<18 ... Nxd8>
<19 Rxd8+ ...>
19 ... Ng8 20 Rxg8#
<19 ... Bf8>
Now white has lots of choices; Rxf8+, Rcxc8, Bh6, Nxa8, but the
simple continuation looks okay.
<20 Rxf8+ ...>
20 ... Ng8 21 Rxg8#
<20 ... Kg7>
<21 Rf7+ Kh8>
<22 Rxe7 ...>
White has won R + B + 2N for his humble queen and is about to win
Bc8 or Ra8, because the queen must extracate itself from b8 and to do
that it has to lose at least one more piece! What's worse is that
white still has the threat of Bh6 and then Bg7#, so black must act
quickly.
click for larger viewI think resignation would be the best move to make in this position. |
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| Apr-16-12 | | shaikriyaz: sac the queen first and think later. its monday after all! |
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| Apr-16-12 | | Ercan: Why Black move 13..Kh8?.. If not he can move to f7. |
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Apr-16-12
 | | Memethecat: 18Qxd8+ Nxd8 19Rxd8+ Bf8 (19...Ng8 20Rxg8#) 20Rxf8+ Kg7 21Rf7+ Kh8 22Rxe7. White gets R, B, 2 Ns & a won position for his Q. Black probably resigned after 18Qxd8 though. |
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Apr-16-12
| | Memethecat: Far more enjoyable than the usual Monday fare! |
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| Apr-16-12 | | zb2cr: Initially it looks like mate in 3 or so, but instead White wins more than enough for his sacrificed Queen: 18. Qxd8+, Nxd8; 19. Rxd8, Bf8; 20. Rxf8+, Kg7; 21. Rf7+, Kh8; 22. Rxe7. Now White has threats on the Black B on c8, and threatens Bh6 followed by Re8#.
He has R + 3 minor pieces for his Queen. |
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sac: 18.Qxd8+