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|Jun-01-09|| ||kurtrichards: Ahh... 32. ... Rxg2+. A bad if not a dumb move. I lost 50 pesetas for moving it. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr! And to think that this is an easy puzzle. Another grrrrrrr!|
|Jun-01-09|| ||Patriot: I saw 32.Rxg2+ Kxg2 33.Qb7+ winning a pawn at first. Then I thought: what if 32.Qb7 first? White cannot stop mate AND save the rook.|
|Jun-01-09|| ||stacase: "i might find this in a game, but not in a puzzle." - Blacksburg|
Now that is an unusual statement for this board! A first?
|Jun-01-09|| ||MaczynskiPratten: Like lots of others I started by looking for the ritual Monday sac and saw Rxg2+. Thankfully, it didn't look decisive and I remembered the point quoted many times in previous puzzles; "When you see a good move, look for a better one". Then reorder the moves, again like lots of others, and voila! Qb7.|
|Jun-01-09|| ||WhiteRook48: I started looking for one of those sacs like 32...Rxg2+ but that wasn't it
was 32 Ra6 a blunder? Looks like it|
|Jun-01-09|| ||hexowl: This was time trouble I guess. There is no good plan behind 32.Ra6. Even if it would not lead to lethal fork, it just seals the move to Black: if 33.Rd6 Qc8, and Black can capture on c4 anyway.|
Anyway, I used to hate Russian Game. It just too often leads to total simplifications, almost omitting the middlegame. I guess that's why Kramnik loves it as much as his Berlin Ruy Lopez.
|Jun-01-09|| ||openingspecialist: I don't play the 3. d4 line so I may not be up with modern theory, but unless my opening book is wrong, 9 ... 0-0 is marked as a bad move. Apparently 9 ... Be6 is better. Does anyone know about modern theory with this line? |
I really like 31. ... b5, preparing if 32. cxb5 Bd5 winning.
I'm pretty surprised at how this one turn out. You can tell that black has an advantage, but without a computer I find it hard to pick where white did wrong. I think just in general white made too many moves with his rooks and bishops without achieving a lot. How would I have played differently? We'll I'd have played exactly the same as the 2700er!
|Jun-01-09|| ||euripides: <specialist> 9...0-0 is new in this database: |
Games Like V Gashimov vs Kramnik, 2009
I don't know if it's been played elsewhere or if it was an innovation. I imagine Kramnik was within his preparation.
|Jun-01-09|| ||randomsac: I started out going for a mate, but none were to be found. Then I realized that the white rook was hanging. So I quickly came upon Qb7. Sort of forking a mate and a rook. So black wins the rook (or worse).|
|Jun-01-09|| ||TheTamale: I was going to post a gripe that this is NOT "very easy." Then I saw the solution, and oops--this IS very easy. D'oh.|
|Jun-01-09|| ||doubledrooks: 32...Qb7 initiates a double attack, threatening the white Ra6 and mate on g2. White has no good response.|
|Jun-01-09|| ||kevin86: This was one of those "gotcha" moves. White's rook stands alone deep in enemy camp; it only takes a queen move 32...♕b7!! to threaten both the rook and the king with a mate threat.|
|Jun-01-09|| ||playground player: *Sigh* Back to Patzerland for me...|
|Jun-01-09|| ||johnlspouge: I am suffering my usual Monday morning cassaic dyslexia: "Rh6" should be "Ra6" throughout my post.|
Where is <whiteshark> when I most need him? :)
|Jun-01-09|| ||Marmot PFL: 32 Ra6?? is not a move that should happen in a GM game.|
|Jun-01-09|| ||lzromeu: Easy? I miss this.
White can move 33f3, but doesnt work because 33...h3.
And white has no defense in this position.
|Jun-01-09|| ||solskytz: Not so simple... a good 15-20 seconds. There are so many details in this position, that the fork simply doesn't quite jump to mind so quickly. |
Thanks anyway :-)
|Jun-01-09|| ||MiCrooks: The idea that the move is harder to find in a puzzle than over the board makes sense to me. Especially given the normal Monday puzzles here. You expect some sort of sacrifice for mate or at least a quick Queen trap. Mundanely picking up a Rook has to wait for the brain to clear from the silly attempts at fireworks like Rxg2+.|
It took me 15-20 too, as that isn't the sort of move I was expecting to have to find. Certainly easy, but simply not the near the top of the checklist of potential moves that jumpt to mind.
|Jun-01-09|| ||ajile: 12.Bg5 Qxe5 13.Rae1 looks like a good pawn sac for White with all his pieces actively developed. But I don't have a computer to check the line.|
|Jun-01-09|| ||MaxxLange: I hope all of you "It's Monday so where do I sac my Queen" people learned your lesson!|
The kind of move order question that several people have mentioned has been on my mind lately because of a tournament game I played recently. We reached this position, with me (White) to move:
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I saw that I could play 21. Bxh7+ Kxh7 22. Qd3+ and 23. Qxd7, winning a pawn. But, I talked myself into deciding that it was stronger to play 21. Qd3 first, reasoning that Black had to guard the Bishop and let me play 22. Qxh7+, winning easily. That in fact happened. What we both missed was, after 22. Qd3? g6! 23. Qxd7 Re2!
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Black wins the piece back with a good position.
|Jun-01-09|| ||GreenFacedPatzer: D'oh!
Missed a Monday! I'm just blind as a bat today. I couln't see anything better than Bxc4, setting up a 3-pawn vs 1-pawn situation on the Q side...
|Jun-01-09|| ||Samagonka: This was hard...|
|Jun-01-09|| ||Aurora: Love the way he used the square.|
|Jun-01-09|| ||ToTheKings: Was this a time pressure blunder?|
|Jun-01-09|| ||MaczynskiPratten: Nice example <MaxxLange>. If it's any consolation, I looked at your position and likewise chose Qd3. I had seen Re2 after Bxh7+ Kxh7 Qxd7 but missed it in the Qd3 line - or at least missed that it was picking up the Bishop.|
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