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NN vs Luis Ramirez de Lucena
Salamanca, Spain 1497  ·  Van't Kruijs Opening: General (A00)  ·  0-1
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Jul-15-09
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  twinlark: Love the in-depth annotations.
Aug-15-09
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  Phony Benoni: So NN was 2720 back in 1497. He must be the Benjamin Button of chess.
Sep-11-09  mrandersson: maybe nn was Doctor Emmett"Doc" Brown?
Sep-12-09  UrVileWedge: Who gave them ratings? lol.
Oct-12-09  tentsewang: WoW!!!!
Mar-04-10  siegbert: Yes this is a better quality game than the other lucena game in this database.
Mar-18-10  SirChrislov: Hey, not a bad game. better than those other 10 movers of the time. white should've advanced pwns on the q-side. nice sacs!
Jun-03-10
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  marwanredman123: This game is full of mistakes from both sides, and are not recommended for beginners, but in order to clarify errors in this bad game
Aug-29-10  nvrennvren: white lower than 500 , black not higher than 1000.but guess it's good for the time. in chinese chess, it is said that the peak of chess was in great ancient time....??
Aug-29-10  nvrennvren: sorry, after reevaluating. white lower than 900 black lower than 1200 must be two top players at the time.

25-qfx6 is a crucial blunder

Sep-02-10  Lil Swine: how is NN rated 2720, they didnt even have rating systems back then
Oct-12-10
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  Phony Benoni: Hmmmm. The ECO Code is A00, for <Uncommon Opening>. Back in 1497, weren't all the openings uncommon?
Nov-18-10  blueofnoon: Looking at this game, I would say Lucena did not make any serious mistake, and his king side attack is what modern GMs would play, too.

Would like to know why some of kibitzers judged him as 1200?

Dec-30-10  balachandar: apart from opening theory, which was surely undeveloped those days, this game is very nice.
Jan-17-11  kevins55555: <<<<<<<<NN's rating is 2720??? Lol!>>>>>>>>
Jan-17-11  kevins55555: NN's rating is 2720??? Lol!
Apr-18-11  samky: These exclaim moves are... not so good. The attack itself is not very good... unless back then it was like checkers and when your opponent offers a piece you're forced to take it even if it means forgoing a defense to allow mate.

He wasn't 1200 or anything, but by today's standards this is barely at the level of coffee house chess.

Apr-28-11  squaresquat: the fundamental concept is play in the center in response to play on the wings, white was ignorant of what had not yet been articulated.
May-09-11  noah913: where r u getting the ratings? i cant see it
Oct-10-11  Kuhlberg: A very nice game by Lucena! White´s pieces on the queen side were totally inactive and of no use for the defense.
Jan-24-12  Knight13: Try 11. Nb5.
May-10-12  DanielBryant: The first recorded instance of castling, and it was Black on the queenside to boot.
May-14-12  LoveThatJoker: GOTD: The First Instance of Castling

LTJ

PS. "16...?" Black to play and win, would make an excellent Friday/Saturday puzzle.

Nov-13-12
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  kevin86: First recorde castling! and it's QUEENSIDE!
May-12-13  JIRKA KADLEC: 11...g5?! (11...a6) 12.Ne1?! (12.Nb5) 14...h4? (14...Qe7) 15...h3? (15...Bxh2+ ) 19.Rh1? (19.Rf4! ) 25.Qxf6?? (25.Qg1! )
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