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| Jun-19-09 | | 310metaltrader: I think i have been in this position in the sicilian about a half dozen times!! Is there a way out of the line or is the whole thing forced after the bishop sac? |
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| Jun-19-09 | | Counterpoint: There are so many traps in the Sicilian, I wonder how many GMs missed this? |
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| Jun-19-09 | | remolino: OTB I would definitely play
9. Bxe6!
Thought I have not worked this to mate. At the very least White can get three pawns or an attack. |
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| Jun-19-09 | | LaFreak III: I got this one! |
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| Jun-19-09 | | Jason Frost: Woops, got to 11... but only saw 12. exd5 somehow, and guessed white had a strong attack from there. Maybe black should've played on a bit longer with Nb8 instead of Qb7 |
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| Jun-19-09 | | LaFreak III: even 12...Be7 is a win for White! |
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| Jun-19-09 | | LaFreak III: 12...Be7
13.Nxg7 Kd8
14.Qf7!! |
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| Jun-19-09 | | Counterpoint: 12...Nf6! |
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| Jun-19-09 | | LaFreak III: 12..Be7
13.Nxg7 Kf8
14.Bh6 |
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| Jun-19-09 | | LaFreak III: <Counterpoint: 12...Nf6!>then it loses to 13.Qxa8 |
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| Jun-19-09 | | Jason Frost: <Counterpoint>
Only other high level game I found in my old database was Ehlvest-Anastasian 1988when Anastasian played 12...Nb8
and the game continued 13. Nxf8 Qc6 14. Ne6 Qxd5 15. Exd5 Ra7 16. Rfe1 h6 17. Bf4 and Anastasian resigned also occurred in Byvshev-Rovner 1954 |
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| Jun-19-09 | | weary willy: It's amazing how quickly it gets very windy around the black king! However, is there anything so decisive if black plays 10 .... Qa5?! Then white doesn't get the same attack on the queen with 11 Nd5 and black could try 11....Ra7. Of course white then has a great position with 12 b4 and one of the Ns to c7 - but I don't see a rapid mate |
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| Jun-19-09 | | Jason Frost: <weary willy> 11...Ra7 12. Qd4 Rb7 13. b4 Qa4 14. Bxf6 Nxf6 15. Nb6 wins at least an exchange |
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| Jun-19-09 | | zooter: I looked at this and 9.Ncxb5 seems like a good move, but this is too deep for me... I'll quickly take a peek |
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| Jun-19-09 | | zooter: Not even close...In fact I'm still wondering why black resigned...
What happens after 13...Bxg7? |
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| Jun-19-09 | | LaFreak III: <zooter: Not even close...In fact I'm still wondering why black resigned... What happens after 13...Bxg7?>
14.Qe7+ Kf8
15.Be7+ Ke8
16.Bxd6+ Kd8
17.Qe7# |
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| Jun-19-09 | | stacase: Over the board, I would definitely consider 9 Bxe6. After all, it's only a game (-: |
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| Jun-19-09 | | VincentL: Qe6+ leads to mate. |
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| Jun-19-09 | | LaFreak III: Qe6 instead of Qe7 I mean hehe sori.. |
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| Jun-19-09 | | zooter: Yeah, for the life of me, I couldn't figure out that 14.Qe6+ leads to mate... :( |
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| Jun-19-09 | | Bryce101: what if 10...Qe7 |
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Jun-19-09
 | | Hongkonger: <Bryce101: what if 10...Qe7> 11.Nc7+ |
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Jun-19-09
 | | akatombo: 13.Nc7+ Qxc7 14.Qe6+ Be7 15.Qxe7# |
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| Jun-19-09 | | OrangeBishop: I wish I had seen this puzzle last week, just before I had a variation of this sacrifice sprung on me at a tournament. Oh well. What should Black have played instead of 8. ... b5? 8. ... Be7 also allows White to get three pawns and a broken king position for the piece after Bxe6. Maybe 8. ... Nb6 or 8. ... Ne5? |
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Jun-19-09
 | | Kinghunt: 11... Nxd5 is a blunder. 11...Qb8! leaves black with a defendable position. 12. Nc7+ wins the exchange, but since white is already down a piece for two pawns, material is roughly even, and white's attack has completely dissipated. And then 12... Qxd5 is another blunder, allowing a mate in three (started by 13. Nc7!, although the text also mates, but one move slower). Better would have been 12...Nb8!, giving the king a flight square. But while avoiding immediate mate, this is still ultimately losing for black. I strongly feel, however, that 11...Qb8! would have left black with decent drawing chances. |
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