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Sep-27-12
 | | OhioChessFan: Brilliant ending. The White Queen abandons her man and the Rooks on adjacent files crush the King's position. |
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| Sep-27-12 | | francis2012: The winning move 1. ... xh3+! 2. xh3 hxg3+ 3. g2 h2+ 4. f3 g2 or f8+ :D |
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| Sep-27-12 | | Elo: 41.Qxh6+ is still losing, but puts up a lot more resistance than what was played. |
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Sep-27-12
 | | Phony Benoni:  click for larger viewI actually remembered to check the material today. Black is up the exchange, so a simplifying combination might work as well as Mate or Ruinous Loss of Material. There appear to be various and sundry ways of doing this. Checking for forcing moves, I didn't try the queen sacrifice first since it wasn't Monday. However, 39...Rxg3+ quickly went nowhere, so I tried <39...Qxh3+>. After all, any move that gives you the chance of two discovered checks in a row is fun to look at, if nothing else. So 40.Kxh3 hxg3+ 41.Kg2 gxf2+. Now 42.Kxf2 Rh2+ regains the queen while winning a pawn and simplifying. 42.Kf1 Rh1+ leads to the same line. 42.Kf3 just lets the pawn promote. However, in a game, I would have undoubtedly gone for this line: <40.Kxh3 hxg3+ 41.Kg2 Rh2+ 42.Kg1< (42.Kf1/Kf3 Rxf2+) <gxf2+! 43.Kxh2 f1N+!> Essentially the same result, but a knight promotion is far higher on the Chess Bucket List than two straight discovered checks. |
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| Sep-27-12 | | rilkefan: So now the puzzles get easier later in the week? |
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| Sep-27-12 | | saiprasad: Qh3+ and rest of the collapse follows |
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| Sep-27-12 | | Shamot: 41...Rh2+ finishes the game much quicker than what black actually played in the game. |
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Sep-27-12
 | | Phony Benoni: <francis2012> There may be a bit of a trap in your line. After <39...Qxh3+ 40.Kxh3 hxg3+ 41.Kg2 Rh2+ 42.Kf3> click for larger view42...Rf8+ just loses the g-pawn, while 42...g2 runs into 43.Qd7+ Kh6 43.Qxe6+ Rg6 (43...Kh7 44.Qf7+) 44.Bd2+. I haven't analyzed this to any great extent (let the Silicon Creatures have their fun), but offhand it looks to me that White has at least a perpetual check. Even if 42...g2 were good enough to win, I'd rather force matters with 42...Rxf2+ and enjoy the simple life. I'm already hearing comments of easiness, but there may be a few bites to this one before it's all over. |
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| Sep-27-12 | | LoveThatJoker: Great stuff! A GM Kveinys puzzle!
<39...Qxh3+ 40. Kxh3> [40. Kg1 hxg3 41. Qd7+ (41. Qd3+ Qf5 42. Qd7+ Kg6 ; 41. Qc2+ Qf5 ) 41...Kg6 42. Qd3+ Qf5 ] <40...hxg3+ 41. Kg2> (Obviously 41...Qxh6+ 42. Kxh6 )
<41...Rh2+>
Black might as well showboat.
<42. Kg1>
(42. Kf1/Kf3 Rxf2+ )
<42...gxf2+ 43. Kxh2> (43. Kf1 Rg1+ 44. Ke2 f1=Q+ 45. Ke3 Rh3+ 46. Ke4 Qf5#) <43...f1=N+ 44. Kh1/Kh3 Nxd2>  LTJ |
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Sep-27-12
 | | M.Hassan: "Medium" Black to play 39...?
Black has a Rook for a Bishop
39..............Qxh3+!
40.Kxh3 hxg3+
<if 41.Qxh6+ Kxh6 42.fxg3 Re8, Black will have a Rook for a Bishop> 41.Kg2 gxf2+
42.Kxf2 Rh2+
43.Kf3 Rxd2
44.Bxd2
And Black will have R+p for a Bishop
If on move 42, King does not take the pawn and moves to f1: 42.Kf1 Rh1+
43.Ke2 f1=Q+
44.Ke3 Rg3+
45.Ke4 Qf5#
Time to check |
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| Sep-27-12 | | Blunderdome: I deviated from the game line with 41...Rh2+
42. Kf3 Rxf2+
42. Kf1 Rxf2+ (or g2+)
42. Kg1 gxf2+ 43. Kxh2 f1N+ |
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| Sep-27-12 | | elocym: Was 41.Rh2 valid? |
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Sep-27-12
 | | Abdel Irada: <Burning down the house> White may have been congratulating himself on constructing something of a fortress in the puzzle position, reposing confidence in a pin on the h-file: If Black tries taking the g-pawn, he will lose immediately to xh6#, while the bishop on c3 creates some threats of its own with an imminent d7†. This rather forces Black's hand. Fortunately for the second player, he's ahead by an exchange, so a simple exchange of material will work in his favor. All of this suggests a look at the key move: <39. ... xh3†<>>, after which play might continue as follows: <40. xh3...<>> Effectively forced. White can't simply abandon the rook, even if Black didn't have a withering attack to follow. <40. ...hxg3†
41. g2, h2†<>> This is simplest and most forcing. White has three legal replies: (1) 42. f3, xf2†
43. xf2, gxf2
44. xf2, g6
With an advantage of the exchange and a pawn, Black will bring home the endgame without difficulty. (2) 42. f1, xf2†
This transposes to line (1).
(3) 42. g1, gxf2†† and either
(3.1) 43. xh2, f1= †!
44. h1/ h3, xd2 or
(3.2) 43. f1, g1†
44. e2, f1= †† .
Mission accomplished: All targets destroyed. |
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Sep-27-12
 | | Abdel Irada: Addendum: White does have another option after the queen sac: the counter-sac 41. xh6†. However, since an exchange of material wins for Black, this is scarcely less hopeless than the "main" lines above. |
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Sep-27-12
 | | Abdel Irada: I only wish I could use these players' names in Scrabble. :-) |
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Sep-27-12
 | | xthred: Got it quickly. Yeah! |
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Sep-27-12
 | | Moonwalker: First observation: black is up the exchange with queen and rooks poised to attack. Second observation: white, while down in material, has threats of his own, control over the a1-h8 diagonal, attacking the rook on h6, potential check on the seventh rank and, if given time, threats along the b1-h7 diagonal. Conclusion: nip it in the bud with a series of forcing moves starting with 39... Qxh3+ 40. Kxh3 (practically forced, else ) hxg3+ 41. Qxh6 Kxh6
If white tries 41. Kg2 then gxf2+ continues the forcing sequence and sets up a skewer along the second rank, . Couldn't find a forced mate though. ENDS
PS. Hmmm.. Didn't even consider 41... Rh2+ |
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| Sep-27-12 | | stacase: Took me longer than it should have to see it.
<Abdel Irada> Ha ha ha ha! |
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| Sep-27-12 | | starkidaway: Man, and I thought it was white to move and win. I stared at this position like an idiot for 10 minutes. |
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| Sep-27-12 | | offramp: Kibitzers are so prolix these days... |
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Sep-27-12
 | | FSR: 39...Qxh3+! secures a won ending after 40.Kh3 hxg3+ and now: 41.Qxh6+ Kxh6; or
41.Kg2 gxf2+ 42.Kxf2 (42.Kf1 Rh1+ 43.Kxf2 Rh2+ transposes; 42.Kf3? f1(Q)+) Rh2+. |
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Sep-27-12
 | | morfishine: Black, up an exchange, to move <39> If Black can trade off a rook and the Queens, he will win. The straightforward
<39...Qxh3+> accomplishes this after a short series of forced moves: <39...Qxh3+ 40.Kxh3 hxg3+> This puts White in a quandary:  click for larger viewWhite has two replies, 41.Qxh6+ & 41.Kg2, both losing: (1) <41.Qxh6+ Kxh6 42.fxg3> and Black has a simple exchange-up
won game
(2a) <41.Kg2 Rh2+ 42.Kf1 (or 42.Kf3)...Rxf2+> and Black wins since
he's up an exchange plus a pawn
(2b) 41.Kg2 Rh2+ <42.Kg1> Black wins now with <42...gxf2+ 43.Kxh2>
(If 43.Kf1 Rg1+ 44.Ke2 f1=Q+ winning) <43...f1=N+ 44.Kh1/h3 Nxd2>
and Black wins |
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Sep-27-12
 | | scormus: Imagine how it would feel to be getting in to ring and your corner says, "Oh oh, change of opponent, we know nothing about him, how good, if he has a KO punch, orthodox or sidewinder ..." That's how I feel this week with the puzzles. OK, let's run the Q-sac line.
39 ... Qxh3+ 40 Kxh3 hxg3+ 41 Kg2 Rh2+
a) 42 Kf1 g2+ 43 Ke2 g1+Q (44 Qd3+ Qg6)
b) 42 Kg1 gxf2+ 43 Kxh2 f1=N+ and Black has R+passer vs. B, and BK is trapped on the h-file. normal service is resumed :) |
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Sep-27-12
 | | FSR: Hmm, like <Moonwalker>, I failed to consider 41...Rh2+. Kveinys didn't play it either, so I guess I "think like a grandmaster" - at least in this instance. But now that it's been pointed out to me, I like 41...Rh2+ better, hoping for the line <Phony Benoni> notes: 42.Kg1 gxf2+ 43.Kxh2 f1(N)+! One doesn't get to play a non-silly underpromotion every day. |
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Sep-27-12
 | | scormus: ah, <41 .... gxf2+> same outcome as my (b). Less fuss (but less fun) Oh, not quite. WK is on the f-file.
And after 41 ... Rh2+ W could play 42 Kf3 with the same result |
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