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Leslie George Llewellyn Copp vs R Kerr
"Good Copp, Bad Copp" (game of the day Feb-07-2014)
Friendly Correspondence Game (1944), NZL
Russian Game: Urusov Gambit (C42)  ·  1-0
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Feb-07-14
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  piltdown man: A demolition job.
Feb-07-14
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  Phony Benoni: The essential question appears to be what happens if Black tries <16...Kf8> instead of taking the knight:


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White's got a lot of stuff en prise and is thretened with mate, but he gets to move firs: <17.Re8+ Bxe8 18.Nxe8+>


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And everything turns into mate: 18....Ke7 19.Bg5+ Ke6 20.Nxg7#, or 18...Kg8 19>Qxd5+ Kf8 20.Qf5+ Kg8 21.Bc4+. Black's best would be deflecting the White queen from the d5-pawn with 18...Bf4, but after 19.Qxf4+ Kg8 20.Qe5 Black's mate is covered and the threat of 21.Qxg7# forces Black to jettison the cargo in a vain attempt to survive.

Feb-07-14  Steve.Patzer: A correspondence game? Why not 9....Nd7?
Feb-07-14  Steve.Patzer: Sorry, I just saw 10. Bxd7!
Feb-07-14
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  morfishine: Black is handcuffed
Feb-07-14
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  TheTamale: But really, what evidence do we have that this was a FRIENDLY correspondence game?

It's amusing to see poor Black after his 15th move. I imagine he felt he couldn't go wrong, threatening mate and a stray piece at the same time... "White might be cooking up something, but first he'll have to deal with this!" But not quite.

Feb-07-14
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  morfishine: Kerr-less opening by Black
Feb-07-14  goodevans: 18...Kg7, then what?

The black ♔ is so precarious I guess he can't hang on for ever, but at least <18...Kg7> doesn't capitulate immediately a la <18...Bf8>. Maybe he just wanted to save on postage!

Feb-07-14
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  morfishine: Black should've copped a plea and bailed out with 9...Nc6 10.Nxc6 bxc6 11.Bxc6+ Ke7 12.Bxa8 Qxa8 which is better than being on-the-run and ending up in a strait jacket with no place to hide-out
Feb-07-14  goodevans: If 18...Kg7 maybe 19.Bxf6+ Kxf6 20.Rxh8 then if 20...Qxb5 21.Rg8 traps the king.
Feb-07-14  Ferro: Mala vida
Feb-07-14  ossipossi: <4...d5>?
Feb-07-14  sasajib: Hello, I am new in chess..Can please anyone help me what's wrong with 6.Nxf7?
Feb-07-14  King Sacrificer: <sasajib: Hello, I am new in chess..Can please anyone help me what's wrong with 6.Nxf7?>

Some kind of Traxler Counter-attack with 6...Bxf2 followed by 7...0-0 draws. Still not a bad idea though.

Feb-07-14
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  Bobby Spassky: I wonder if this is the famous Roy Kerr of black hole fame.
Feb-07-14
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  maxi: Roy Kerr would have been 10 at the time this correspondence game was played. But "R. Kerr" could be one of his relatives.
Feb-07-14  MountainMatt: I've never played the Urusov Gambit, and after seeing this, I'm pretty sure I don't ever want to!
Feb-07-14
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  morfishine: Whoever submitted this pun should be arrested
Feb-07-14
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  Zhbugnoimt: morfishine: by a good cop of course
Feb-07-14
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  FSR: Black's play was criminal, and White served as judge, jury, and executioner.
Feb-08-14
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  kevin86: Police brutality as its finest. lol
Feb-08-14
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  maxi: If he wasn't Mirandized it's a draw.
Aug-21-16
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  Richard Taylor: I found the magazine that this game was in and gave it and a lot of other stuff to <Benzol> I was looking at it the other day and was using it to practice calculation. I could see there would be a sac on f6 or Bh6 and possibly a sac on f6 with the Q taking. The analysis by Tom Levikmann (I think the NZ Champion just before Sarapu "took over") in the New Zealand Correspondence Association (without computers) wasn't bad but in fact there is a better way for White to win as, as I saw starting from move 15. (although I mis-saw some of it) that 18. Bh6! was better than 18. Re8+?! as Black can play Kg7 which Levikmann doesn't analyse but Komodo does nowadays! I was pleased to find that.


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Here 18. Bh6! wins totally

Here's some examples I calculated:

18. Bh6!

If 18. ... Na6 19. Qe6+ Bf7 20. Qxf6 Bf8 21. Re7 wins as Black cant defend both mate on f7 and g7

There are similar lines but White is winning whereas if after 18. ... Kg7 it is harder to find an easy win although I thought that line was winning also as the N is pinned on b8 but I preferred the 18. ... Bh6 which is in fact the best move.

Earlier White had a quicker win at move (it is important that I think this is a great game by White this is only for interest, in human chess, and OTB I probably would have lost my way, I would have seen some of this...even if it was a correspondence game (they say most games are, I think this was) it is good). But earlier the ticket was, from here:


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To play:

15. Nxf6+ which of course I "found" with a computer....

It is monstrously unfair to lazily chomp through old games with computers and sometimes it is erroneous as humans don't really 'see' things as computers do. We are subject to error which is what makes the struggle exciting in life as in chess....I am 68 so forgive my philosophic ravings!!

But even earlier, the good old crunching machine comes up with, in this position:


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6. d4! Which gives White a completely winning advantage...

Such is life and chess!

Aug-21-16
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  Richard Taylor: <TheTamale: But really, what evidence do we have that this was a FRIENDLY correspondence game? It's amusing to see poor Black after his>

Her, the Black player was a Mrs.R Kerr. The evidence was in the NZ Corresp. Chess Association book I found and lent to <Benzol> who uploaded it. As I say above Tom Levikmann analysed it (Lajos Steiner also had some input) but they made some errors. It was a non competition game, as when I played Correspondence Chess you could do that where no rating changes were involved.)

<...15th move. I imagine he felt he couldn't go wrong, threatening mate and a stray piece at the same time... "White might be cooking up something, but first he'll have to deal with this!" But not quite...>

I don't get amusement seeing someone lose a game. Imagine if it was you losing such a game. It is easy to go wrong in chess.

Many many games are won when a move such as d4 is played. Nunn talks about the phenomena of LPDO (loose pieces drop off, a term he heard from a 2300 player) in his book Secrets of Practical Chess. This shows even Grandmasters losing by forgetting that pieces were immediately or latently vulnerable. So Black's reaction to d4 is understandable. Better was Qe7 I think and Black is probably o.k.

Aug-22-16  User not found: <FSR: Black's play was criminal>

I was going to disagree with this post from cuddlebumps until I went through the game again.... This time with an engine to make sure, lol. Look..

15.Nh6 wins, not that white needed any help after playing d4 and black played the confusing game losing 15..Qa5??


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Nh6! Either way that rooks going to e8 after gxN.. Qg4+...Bg7 ..Re8+.


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And even here


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Black has 2 moves....chooses the game loser.

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