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John Cochrane vs Bonnerjee Mohishunder
Calcutta (1850)
Scotch Game: Classical Variation (C45)  ·  1-0
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Nov-14-11
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  gawain: <Muztang> But where exactly does Black go wrong? I think White's 7th move gave Black an opportunity. Black's best try is to grab another pawn. 7...Qxg2!


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I think Black keeps the extra two pawns and can develop too. It might go like this 8 Rf1 d6 9 Qe2 Bxf5 10 Bxf5 Nge7 11 Bxc5 Qd5 or else 8 Ng3 Nf6 9 Bf1 Qd5. But maybe I am not looking far enough ahead in White's attack

Nov-14-11  Nullifidian: 18. ♖h8+ ♘xh8 19. ♕h7#
Nov-14-11  sevenseaman: Rabbit out of a hat, by Lazlo Polgar, 1946.


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'Easy'. W mates in 3.

Nov-14-11  MaxxLange: Huh, I hadn't thought of 7...Qxg2. Fritz likes that just fine for Black. It thinks White needed to play 7 Nxg7+

In fact, it keeps a pretty equal evaluation until 13...Qh6?, which really is a losing move

Nov-14-11  moex: I need to write it somewhere. And I need to keep it secret, so I cannot talk with friends. This is the right place, because I've an excuse to speak of it here.

I'm terribly, madly in love with the most beautiful girl I've ever met. This is killing me.
That's terrible, I spend every single minute thinking of her.

...AND, it took me FIFTEEN MINUTES to get today's solution

I'm lost

Nov-14-11  MaxxLange: tell her, dude, not us!
Nov-14-11  SimonWebbsTiger: @<moex>

leave her alone. You are obviously a complete loser. She would never want you.

Nov-14-11  polarx: fifteen minutes???!!!
Nov-14-11  moex: Thanks guys, luckily there was some self-irony in my previous post ;)
Nov-14-11
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  kevin86: Solution is a sharp clearence move:

18 ♖h8+ ♘xh8 19 ♕h7#.

Thank God for mondays-just kidding...

Nov-14-11  LIFE Master AJ: 18.Rh8+! and 19.Qh7#.
Nov-14-11
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  Marmot PFL: Seems if black was going to take e4 he might as well play 7...Qxg2 as well. 8 Rf1 looks forced and with his broken kingside I doubt white has enough for 2 pawns.
Nov-14-11
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  doubledrooks: <sevenseaman>: I found 1. d8=N R moves 2. Qb7+ Rxb7 3. Nc6#

Thanks!

Nov-14-11  sevenseaman: <SimmonWebbsTiger> Nice summation! Psychoanalyst?

<doubledrooks> You know where to hit a nail!

Nov-14-11  sfm: Real sorry to disappoint all those suggesting 18.Rh8+. It was a nasty trap, as this was a Monday, and so you MUST start with a queen sac!

The correct solution is for this reason
18.Qxg6, after which
-,QxQ
19.Bc4+,Rf7
20.BxR+,QxR
21.Nxf7,KxR
22.Re1,b6
23.Rd7
gives White certain chances in the endgame.

Nov-14-11  sfm: <SimonWebbsTiger: @moex
leave her alone. You are obviously a complete loser. She would never want you.>
You should consider becoming a "Dear Simon" advice columnist. Well-meant and concise replies are so hard to find nowadays!
Nov-14-11
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  chrisowen: <sevenseaman> golly um brill baz a rook puzzle RECITE for us the rook clipping it horse wing lo am waxing light h8 spirit nxh8 qh7# sheesh am signed offi!
Nov-14-11  TheTamale: I've been up for 38 straight hours, and I still got it fairly quickly. Of course, on the plane I did practice against some Garry-Kasparov-concocted Delta Airlines chess app. I also read "For Whom the Bell Tolls." It makes you want to go back in time and slap Hemingway.
Nov-14-11
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  Domdaniel: <TheTamale> - < It makes you want to go back in time and slap Hemingway.>

I've waited years to hear somebody say that about that ghastly book.

I guess the Earth didn't move for you either?

Nov-14-11  rapidcitychess: I expected to see this on February 30th.

Sooooo easy.

Nov-14-11  BOSTER: Some discuss the position after 7.Bd3 if black would play 7..Qxg2. <gawain> <I think black keeps the extra two pawns>.

<MaxxLange> <7...Qxg2-Fritz like that>.

<Marnot PFL> <8.Rf1 looks forced>.

But you have forgotten that this game was played in 1850 and moves like Rf1 even was not considered in such position. "Incisive attacks and combo were the order of the day". In such position white would play 8.Qe2 and sacr. his rook. 8...Qxh1+ 9.Kd2 and this position has a lot attacking possibilities for white, when black queen on the other corner of the board.

My guess, that Cochrane invited black to play 7...Qxg2.

Nov-14-11  Arkan: for the love of God, come on... 18. Rh8+ Nxh8 19. Qh7#
Nov-14-11
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  TheFocus: 10 seconds. But then again, it is a Monday puzzle.
Nov-14-11  1stboard: " Nov-14-11 Muztang: But where exactly does Black go wrong? "

I think 5 Qe7 may have been better played with instead 5 d6

Nov-15-11  TheTamale: <DomDaniel> I read Farewell to Arms and Sun Also Rises and enjoyed both. Bell Tolls, however, reads as if it were written by a high school kid trying to write like Hemingway. Sad thing is that he can still tell a good story. Eroded talent due to prolonged alcohol abuse, I reckon.
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