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| Jan-09-12 | | zb2cr: I wasted about 2 minutes trying to make 31. Rg8+ work, looking for follow-up moves such as 32. Nf6+, when I finally hit on the idea of 31.Qxf7+ and realized that after the forced recapture, 32. Rf1+ would put Black in a position where all he had was useless interpositions. The Knight seals off e7, the Rook at g6 seals off e6 and the g-file, and the Rook at g6 is protected by a Pawn. |
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| Jan-09-12 | | JuliusDS: That was harder than yesterday! :P |
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| Jan-09-12 | | CHESSTTCAMPS: Black, down a knight, threatens 31... Rxf5 and may have hopes for a continuation such as 31.Qf3?? Rd8 32.Nc3?? Rxh5+ winning. Instead, white can force mate with 32.Qxf7+! Kxf7 33.Rf1+ etc. Even though a queen sac is normal on a Monday, the pattern is a little unusual with the defending king off the edge and the Re8 required for the mate to work. |
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| Jan-09-12 | | srag: "Monday monday,
So good to me! ..." |
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| Jan-09-12 | | solskytz: A Monday? A Queen Sac? A Check? Yey!! |
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| Jan-09-12 | | CHESSTTCAMPS: I was going to make a comment similar to <morfishine:> about pattern recognition, but he has phrased it better. Evidently, several experienced kibitzers took longer than usual on this particular Monday puzzle. |
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Jan-09-12
 | | Sasportas: Nice puzzle, perhaps more difficult than a normal Monday - ut one complaint: The game was most certainly played in MUNICH (German: München, Czech: Mnichov), and not in one of the tiny villages in Czechoslovakia also called Mnichov! |
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Jan-09-12
 | | paulalbert: I'm not sure anybody mentioned it before, but if Semmler wanted to prolong the agony one move longer after Rf1+, then Qf2, Rxf2+, and then Rf5, Rxf5#. |
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| Jan-09-12 | | Sassa: 31. Qxf7 Kxf7 32. Rf1+ (… Qf2 33. Rxf2+ Rf5 34. Rxf5++) Nice Monday puzzle. Got it right! |
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| Jan-09-12 | | Skafi: Like some others I looked for a continuation after 31.Rg8+, for a while. Got it after 1-2 min :) |
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| Jan-09-12 | | abuzic: A nice Q sac:
31.Qxf7+ Kxf7
32.Rf1+ Qf2 <32...Rf4 33.Rxf5#>33.Rxf2+ Rf5
33.Rxf5#
Going back to move <30.Rxg6+>:
Here white could win in another way:
30.Qf6+ Kf8 31.hxg6 Rh5+ 32.Rh4 Rxh4+ 33.Qxh4 Re6 34.Qxh6+ Ke8 35.gxf7+ Kd7 36.Nxb6++ Kc7 37.Rd7+ Kxb6 38.Qxe6+ Kb5 39.Rd5 Qxd5 40.Qxd5+ and mate soon. But <30.Rxg6+> played is more forcing: 30...fxg6 <30...Kf8 played leads to today's puzzle> 31.Qxg6+ <31.Qxf6 also forces mate> 31...Kh8
32.Qxh6+ Kg8
33.Nf6+ Kf7
34.Qg6+ Ke7
35.Rd7+ Ke6
36.Qf7+ Kf5
37.Nh7+ <or 37.Ne4+ leads to same mate position> 37...Kg7
38.Qf3+ Kh4
39.Qh3#.
Going back a little further <28.Rg4 Rfe8?> 28...Kh8 is better defence here: 28...Kh8 29.h5 Ne7 30.Nxe7 Qxe7 31.Qf4 Rg8 32.Rxg8+ Kxg8 although white stands better. Instead of <28.Rg4> white could do better with 28.h5 Ne7
29.Qg4+ Kh8
30.Rc4 Qf2 <or 30...Qxd5 31.Rxd5 Nxd5 32.Rd4 Rxe5 33.Qf3 Rd8 34.Qxd7 Re7 35.Qg6 Rg8 36.Qe6 etc...> 31.Rf4 Qc2
32.Nxe7 Rxe7
33.Rd6 f5
34.Rxh6+ Rh7
35.Rxh7+ Kxh7
36.Qg6+ Kh8
37.Qh6+ Kg8
38.Qg5+ Kh8
39.Rf3
and black can surrender.
Going back further to the N sac: <21.Nxh6+!> in fact it was a necessary move as if 21.Qg3 Nh5 wins the white R. 21.Nxh6+! Kh7? <21...gxh6 22.Qxc5 bxc5 23.Rxf6, is better for black, although white still stands better> 22.e5 Be4
23.Bex4 <23.Rxe4 is also playable here> 23...Nxe4
24.Rxe4 <24.Nxe4! wins, for example 24.Nxe4 Qxe5 25.Nf5 Nxf4 26.Qh4+ Kg8 27.Ne7+ Qxe7 28.Qxe7>. |
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| Jan-09-12 | | TheTamale: OK, I have been stumped by Monday puzzles before, and usually when I am there are comments such as "easiest puzzle in a while" and "too easy for a Monday" abounding. So it was gratifying for me to basically solve this the second I looked at it and then read that others had a hard time with it. For one brief second of life, the tamale had become the master. (Well, 1600-class player, maybe.) |
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Jan-09-12
 | | woody b: like so many others i immediately saw Qxf7+ and dismissed it.
i simply didn't see that the Rook g6 is protected by h5!
my "solution" was
31. Rg8+ Kxf8
32. Nf6+ Kf8 ?
33. Ne7+ Ke7 ??
34. Qf6# knowing this was too complicated for a monday... |
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Jan-09-12
 | | kevin86: A little harder than usual,but the fact that it is a Monday puzzle screamed for a queen sac. The fortified rook guards both the sixth rank and the g file- and the knight guards e7 AND blocks the queen's defense of the rook so the queen sac leads to a three move mate. |
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Jan-09-12
 | | gawain: Looks like a Monday. The White Queen must die!
31 Qxf7+ Kxf7 32 Rf1+ and mate follows |
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Jan-09-12
 | | YouRang: Geez, I spent the longest time on this.
I even looked at 31.Qxf7+, but couldn't make it work because some weird blindness prevented me from noticing that my rook on g6 is guarded by the pawn. :-( |
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Jan-09-12
 | | SuperPatzer77: <YouRang> <Geez, I spent the longest time on this. I even looked at 31.Qxf7+, but couldn't make it work because some weird blindness prevented me from noticing that my rook on g6 is guarded by the pawn. :-(> <YouRang> You're not alone. I didn't see it, either. Uuugh!! SuperPatzer77 |
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| Jan-09-12 | | Dr. J: <sevenseaman: Is Q the most sacced piece in chess, maybe next to a P?> Only on Mondays. |
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| Jan-09-12 | | Dr. J: If <30 Rxg6+ <fxg6>> I see 31 Qxg6+ Kh8 (best) 32 Qxh6+ Kg8 33 Nf6+ Kf7 34 Qg6+ Ke7 (best) 35 Rd7+ Ke6 36 Qf7+ Kf5 37 Nh7+ Kg4 (best) 38 Qf3+ Kh4 39 Qh3# Does anyone see a faster mate?
And I agree: with an unusual pattern mate-in-4, I would rate this as a Tuesday puzzle. |
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| Jan-09-12 | | Pawn Derous: Qf7+ is further extrapolation necessary? |
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| Jan-09-12 | | cjgone: Completely missed this one... |
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| Jan-09-12 | | Penguincw: Interesting mid board mate. |
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| Jan-09-12 | | ajile: See a queen sac, take a queen sac.
That's my motto. |
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| Jan-09-12 | | ruzon: Earlier today I had a pleasure of losing a simul to IM Marc Arnold. I lost a little less spectacularly than poor Semmler did, but at least he generated some counterplay. |
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| Jan-09-12 | | polarx: Hey, ruzon, since you have mentioned it, you could have posted the game. |
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sac: 31.Qxf7+