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Anatoly Karpov vs Garry Kasparov
Kasparov - Karpov Rapid Match (2009), Valencia ESP, rd 1, Sep-22
Neo-Grünfeld Defense: Exchange Variation with 6.e4 (D72)  ·  0-1


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Sep-22-09  DiscoJew: oh wow...*ahem* ffffiiiirrrsssstttt!!!
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  whiteshark: <DiscoJew> I'll *ahem* second that!!!
Sep-22-09  DoubleCheck: 24. Ne6? Nxe6
25. dxe6 Qxd2
26. Rxd2 Rxd2
27. Bxb7 Re8
28. Re1 Rd3
29. Bc6 Re7
30. ~

Black still holds his position with advantage

Sep-22-09  HeMateMe: Time forfeit?
Shouldnt there be a 5 second increment added on, so that a player can make some sort of move, any move, without losing on time?
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  offramp: Yes but you can still lose on time!
Sep-22-09  binno: He lose on time!
Sep-23-09  ontocaustic: i can't belief krapov win
Sep-23-09  siegbert: after f4 karpov had five minutes left. he took three minutes on his move and left himself two for the rest of the game. it was obvious he had to take with either bishop or knight. all in all not a great game.
Sep-23-09  kellmano: I'm confused. After playing 24. Ne6, surely Garry's clock started ticking. So how did Karpov lose on time?
Sep-23-09  percyblakeney: <So how did Karpov lose on time?>

He had lost on time already when playing 24. Ne6, but the move was still recorded in the relay of the game.

Sep-23-09  Ulhumbrus: Having cleared g3 for the N by 17 g4, 18 Ng3 seems consistent, preparing to attack the blockader of the d5 pawn by Ne4 instead of 18 a4. However then 18...f5 prevents Ne4.

There is another way to make use of g4 and that is to attack the N on d6 by playing the Q to g3 instead: 18 Qs3 Rfe8 19 Qg3. However then 18...Rad8 defends d6, and the N on e2 which has to defend the N on c3 obstructs as well the e file for White's R on f1.

All this suggests that 17 g4 is mistaken. The fact that the N on e2 which obstructs the e file also has to defend the N on c3 suggests 17 Bh6 offering to exchange Black's KB and so freeing the N on e2 to move.

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  Eisenheim: 24 ...Bxd5 then white has problems! a bishop exchange will lead to a devasting royal fork on F3. My read of this position is that Karpov blundered the knight. can someone run it through one of the computers and figure it out.
Sep-24-09  Ulhumbrus: <Eisenheim> How about this: On 24...Bxd5 White plays 25 Nxg7 which removes the B on g7 which covers the square e5 and so makes possible the move Be5 attacking the N on d4.
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  Eisenheim: Ulhumbrus - I missed that simple one! perhaps simplest is best here, and with 24 ...NxN,25 black goes and stays ahead with 25dxe6, Qxd2, 26 Rxd2, rxd2, 27 Bxb7 and black wins the exchange, although whites has the bishop pair
Sep-25-09  euripides: <eisenheim, ulhumbrus> If <24...Bxd5 25.Nxg7> 25...Bxg2 looks more forceful e.g. 26.Kxg2 Qd5+ 27.f3 Rxf3 28.Rxf3 Qxf3+ 29.Kh2 Kxg7 30.Be5+ Kg8 and Black looks well in control.
Sep-25-09  euripides: ....I see chessbase gives 24.Ne6 Nxe6 25.dxe6 Qxd2 26.Rxd2 Rxd2 27.Bxb7 as in <doublecheck>'s line.

On reflection after <24.Nxe6 Bxd5> 25.Nxd8 would be most natural e.g. 25...Bxg2 26.Kxg2 Qd5+ 27.f3 Rxd8 and Black certainly has something for the exchange but may not be winning.

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  Eyal: <Kasparov: It is quite funny that this experience [playing chess on the internet] both helped me and caused me damage. The quality of some of my moves was not quite sufficient. A typical Internet move was 20…f4 in game one. Of course I would play 20…Ne4 in a classical game, five years ago, because I saw that the move gives Black a very comfortable game – Black is not substantially, but definitely better. But ...f4 is a move of the Internet, especially in bullet, when you want to follow one idea – you want to have your knight on d4 – and it creates threats. So that's a bad move, but it actually worked well for me, because what I learned on the Internet is how to manage time. So I never lost on time, while Karpov was always having huge problems.> (
Sep-21-11  CXMjonnes: NIce game
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