chessgames.com
Members · Prefs · Laboratory · Collections · Openings · Endgames · Sacrifices · History · Search Kibitzing · Kibitzer's Café · Chessforums · Tournament Index · Players · Kibitzing

Alexey Sokolsky vs Strugatsch
"b4 It's Too Late" (game of the day Dec-21-2011)
White Russia (1958)
Polish Opening: Tartakower Gambit (A00)  ·  1-0
ANALYSIS [x]

FEN COPIED

Click Here to play Guess-the-Move
Given 24 times; par: 25 [what's this?]

find similar games 209 more games of Sokolsky
sac: 9.Nh5 PGN: download | view | print Help: general | java-troubleshooting

TIP: You can learn a lot about this site (and chess in general) by reading the Chessgames Help Page. If you need help with premium features, please see the Premium Membership Help Page.

PGN Viewer:  What is this?
For help with this chess viewer, please see the Olga Chess Viewer Quickstart Guide.
PREMIUM MEMBERS CAN REQUEST COMPUTER ANALYSIS [more info]

Kibitzer's Corner
< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 2 OF 2 ·  Later Kibitzing>
Dec-21-11  erniecohen: <gofer> Indeed, 15...♘e5 looks like the only move to save the game.
Dec-21-11  goodevans: So what happens after <15 ... Ne5 16 Qg3>?
Dec-21-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  FSR: After 15...Ne5! 16.Qg3, White has the strong threat of 17.Ne6+ winning Black's queen. It looks like the best Black can reasonably hope for is an ending two pawns down after he gives back his extra piece. One such line is 16...Bc5+ 17.Kh1 Qf6 18.Nh5+ Qg6 19.Qxe5 d6 20.Qg3. Certainly better than the game, but White will very likely win anyway.
Dec-21-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  FSR: Sokolsky seems to have done well with his eponymous opening - a win over Flohr, draws with Keres and Geller, +1 =1 -1 against Kotov, etc. http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...
Dec-21-11  erniecohen: 6...♕e7 7. ♗d5 ♘e5 8. ♘xf4 c6 9. ♗b3 d5 looks good for Black.

8. ♕h5 g6 9. ♕b5 looks very good for White.

Dec-21-11  erniecohen: <FSR: After 15...Ne5! 16.Qg3, White has the strong threat of 17.Ne6+ winning Black's queen. It looks like the best Black can reasonably hope for is an ending two pawns down after he gives back his extra piece...White will very likely win anyway.>

Don't think so. After {17...♔h7!, Black keeps his material advantage, e.g. 18. ♕xe5 d6 19. ♕g3 ♗c5+ 20. ♔h1 ♗d4 regains the piece, leaving black with a winning advantage. White's best is something like 17. ♘f5 ♕f6 18. ♘c3 ♗xc3 19. ♕h3+ ♔g8 20. ♕g3+ with a perpetual.

Dec-21-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  FSR: <erniecohen: ... Don't think so. After {17...h7!, Black keeps his material advantage, e.g. 18.Qxe5 d6 19.Qg3 Bc5+ 20.Kh1 d4 regains the piece, leaving black with a winning advantage. White's best is something like 17.Nf5 Qf6 18.Nc3 Bxc3 19.Qh3+ g8 20.Qg3+ with a perpetual.>

You obviously mean 16...Kh7!, but I agree, great idea. But in your last line, can Black play to win with 20...Ng6?

Dec-21-11  erniecohen: <<FSR> But in your last line, can Black play to win with 20...Ng6?>

After 21. bxc3, White's threats against the pinned ♘ and ♕ will assure White at least a draw, e.g. 22...d6 23. ♖f1 ♗xf5 24. exf5, or 22...♔h7 23. ♕h3+

Dec-21-11  RestlessLife: my favourite opening! i am glad to see that it is getting some acknowledgement from time to time :)
Dec-21-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  playground player: I love the Polish Opening (aka the Sokolsky)! It relieves me of any necessity of playing against defenses like the Sicilian and the French--and it has given me a lot of good games against stronger players.

However...why did Black resign? Oops--never mind. Black is cooked no matter what he does.

Dec-21-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  kevin86: The Polish Opening has also been called the Orang-o-tan opening. White often gambits his b-pawn in exchange for a nice fiancettoed bishop and a few tempi.
Dec-21-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  Domdaniel: 1.b4 may be called the Sokolsky, the Polish, or the Orangutan.

1.Nf3 followed by 2.b4 is Santasiere's Folly.

1.Nf3 Nc6 2.a3 followed by b4 *has been called* the Munster Attack. By me, after I won a game with it in Munster.

Dec-21-11  lemaire90: What a vicious attack, I think I have to try the Polish more often !
Dec-21-11  The17thPawn: <Domdaniel> _ I thought b4 was only labeled the polish when used as black to respond to the Quuens Gambit?
Dec-21-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  FSR: <The17thPawn> 1.b4 is sometimes called the <Polish Opening>. I have never seen an explanation for this. Savielly Tartakower, one of the first prominent players to play it, had accepted Polish citizenship after Poland gained its independence after World War I - although he had been born in Russia, and lived in Paris. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saviel... He played it once at New York 1924, calling it the <Orangutan Opening> in honor of Suzy, an orangutan he had met at the Bronx Zoo. (I am not making this up.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish...

So perhaps <Polish Opening> alluded to Tartakower. It may also have referred to Sokolsky's later, more persistent, championing of the move. Alexey Sokolsky (1908-69) often played 1.b4 and published the book <Debyut 1b2-b4> in 1963. I have always thought, rightly or wrongly, that <Polish Opening> may refer to Sokolsky's "Polish-sounding" name. In that case, it is a misnomer, since Sokolsky was a was a Soviet citizen of Ukrainian-Belarusian extraction. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexey...

By analogy to "Polish Opening," when Black plays an early b5 that is often referred to as the <Polish Defense>. That label has been attached to several different opening sequences, most notably 1.d4 b5 and 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.g3 b5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish...

Dec-21-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  Domdaniel: <The17thPawn & FSR> I *think* that 1.d4 b5 was first called the Polish Defence, and later the name transferred to 1.b4 as the Polish Attack.

Like the King's Indian Attack was named after the Defence. A sort of back-formation.

Dec-21-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  Penguincw: Black powerless to stop the two mate threats.
Dec-21-11  rapidcitychess: It's funny: Black did not really neglect development, but let his pieces become so offside they would be better placed at home.
Dec-21-11  ajile: Hilarious game. Black's 2..f6 makes White's 1.b4 look good.
Dec-21-11  ajile: It's interesting that there doesn't seem to be any way to search this opening in the database since it's Uncommon on move 1 and there is no Polish Opening option in the search menu.

Unless I'm missing something?

Dec-21-11  The17thPawn: <Domdaniel & FSR> Thanks for the clarification. I'm certain I've seen the b4 move used by black in games by Miles and I believe Spassky against Petrosian. I should have been more specific and labeled it the Polish Defense but thankfully you fellas cleared that up neatly. Appreciate the feedback as I'm not very familiar with off beat openings.
Dec-21-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  FSR: <The17thPawn> Spassky played 1.d4 b5 in the 22nd game of his 1966 world championship match against Petrosian, when Spassky was desperate for a win. It didn't work. Petrosian vs Spassky, 1966 Miles famously played the same opening by transposition (1.e4 a6 2.d4 b5) against Karpov, also in a sort of desperate situation: he had lost almost all of his prior games as Black against Karpov. But he shocked everyone by beating Karpov with this "joke opening." Karpov vs Miles, 1980

The "other" Polish Defense, 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.g3 b5, is perfectly respectable, and even gives Black a plus score (probably in part because it has been played by so many strong players). Opening Explorer It has been played by the likes of Smyslov, Tal, Spassky, and Karpov. http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...

Dec-22-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  playground player: <ajile> You won't find any problem finding games that start with 1.b4 on the Opening Explorer.

Black's 2...f6 is a fairly common defense in this opening and has a fair amount of success.

Dec-22-11  qqdos: if you search Uncommon Opening (A00) you have all the other uncommon openings lumped in. 1.b4 is not distinguished which is a defect for common or garden Sokolsky buffs. Try this site !http://www.algonet.se/~marek/index.... for a 1.b4 feast!
Jun-06-14  celtrusco: Another brilliant pun.
search thread:   
< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 2 OF 2 ·  Later Kibitzing>
NOTE: You need to pick a username and password to post a reply. Getting your account takes less than a minute, is totally anonymous, and 100% free—plus, it entitles you to features otherwise unavailable. Pick your username now and join the chessgames community!
If you already have an account, you should login now.
Please observe our posting guidelines:
  1. No obscene, racist, sexist, profane, raunchy, or disgusting language.
  2. No spamming, advertising, duplicate or nonsense posts.
  3. No malicious personal attacks, including cyber stalking, systematic antagonism, or gratuitous name-calling of any member Iincludinfgall Admin and Owners or any of their family, friends, associates, or business interests. If you think someone is an idiot, then provide evidence that their reasoning is invalid and/or idiotic, instead of just calling them an idiot. It's a subtle but important distinction, even in political discussions.
  4. Nothing in violation of United States law.
  5. No malicious posting of or linking to personal, private, and/or negative information (aka "doxing" or "doxxing") about any member, (including all Admin and Owners) or any of their family, friends, associates, or business interests. This includes all media: text, images, video, audio, or otherwise. Such actions will result in severe sanctions for any violators.
  6. NO TROLLING. Admin and Owners know it when they see it, and sanctions for any trolls will be significant.
  7. Any off-topic posts which distract from the primary topic of discussion are subject to removal.
  8. The use of "sock puppet" accounts to circumvent disciplinary action taken by Moderators is expressly prohibited.
  9. The use of "sock puppet" accounts in an attempt to undermine any side of a debate—or to create a false impression of consensus or support—is prohibited.
  10. All decisions with respect to deleting posts, and any subsequent discipline, are final, and occur at the sole discretion of the Moderators, Admin, and Owners.
  11. Please try to maintain a semblance of civility at all times.
Blow the Whistle See something that violates our rules? Blow the whistle and inform a Moderator.

NOTE: Keep all discussion on the topic of this page. This forum is for this specific game and nothing else. If you want to discuss chess in general, or this site, visit the Kibitzer's Café.

Messages posted by Chessgames members do not necessarily represent the views of Chessgames.com, its employees, or sponsors. All Moderator actions taken are at the sole discretion of the Admin and Owners—who will strive to act fairly and consistently at all times.
Spot an error? Please submit a correction slip and help us eliminate database mistakes!
This game is type: CLASSICAL (Disagree? Please submit a correction slip.)

Featured in the Following Game Collections[what is this?]
b4 It's Too Late 12/21/11
from Puns I submitted by FSR
MENDERA's favorite games
by MENDERA
Zwei Eröffnungstheoretiker
from Schachmeister porträtiert (Wieteck) by Chessdreamer
Orang Outang Opening
from Modern Chess Miniatures Compiled by Benzol by fredthebear
Tactics - 3
by obrit
b4 It's Too Late
from Favorite Names by Mayoigo2
Polish Opening: Tartakower Gambit (A00) 1-0 Fascinating Finish
from Decoy, Deflect, Displace, Doom Defenders A-D-E by fredthebear
Orang Outang Opening
from Modern Chess Miniatures by Benzol
December 21: b4 It's Too Late
from Game of the Day 2011 by Phony Benoni
TO LATE TO CASTLED
from ZHVNE by ZHVNE
100 Soviet Chess Miniatures
by Incremental
Openings
by tivrfoa
b4 It's Too Late
from iking's favorite games 2 by iking
Thrillers
by Snehalshekatkar
doubledrooks' favorite games
by doubledrooks
17 moves
from Chess Miniatures, Collection II by wwall


home | about | login | logout | F.A.Q. | your profile | preferences | Premium Membership | Kibitzer's Café | Biographer's Bistro | new kibitzing | chessforums | Tournament Index | Player Directory | Notable Games | World Chess Championships | Opening Explorer | Guess the Move | Game Collections | ChessBookie Game | Chessgames Challenge | Store | privacy notice | contact us
Copyright 2001-2019, Chessgames Services LLC