|
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 4 OF 4 ·
Later Kibitzing> |
| Nov-06-09 | | AdrianP: If Black loses the a-pawn, White is almost certainly not going to lose. If White gets the a-pawn without losing his c-pawn he has winning chances. |
 |
Nov-06-09
 | | Marmot PFL: < Mateo > Even in that line white has Bc5 and Bh5 when it is hard to defend f7. |
|
| Nov-06-09 | | vonKrolock: Kramnik sacrifice his  , or call it an exchange, or a combination - In this particular position the  + are evaluated equal to her majesty, so other factors - like the advanced  , has also a saying... But maybe Anand could now 'suggest' the exchange of the 'c6' for his distant 'a7' , thus turning the game to a  -sided manoeuvering struggle with no s race to turn it sharply tactical ... - But wait... there's a 'zwischenzug' d6... and the counter 'zwischenzug' g5-g4!? - Nevertheless, Anand prefers to take x c6 first ! |
|
Nov-06-09
 | | zenithooligan: this game is going on at a level far beyond my ability to understand. why did white not try to hang onto the passed c pawn? i thought that was the whole idea of the exchange. |
|
| Nov-06-09 | | AdrianP: OK - now I'm struggling to see White's big idea... |
|
| Nov-06-09 | | Mateo: <Eyal: <Mateo: <Eyal: In the line I gave earlier, after 21...Qc2 (to this square in order to prevent Rc1) Black has to give up the exchange for the c pawn after 22.Bd6> what about 22...g4 23.Bxg4 Qxc6?> Yes, you're right, that's also possible - then perhaps 24.Rc7 (24.Rxa7? Rd8 25.e5 Bxe5) Qb6 25.Rd7. How do you evaluate this position?> As equal, because in order to save the exchange Black will have to give White counterplay on the king side, I think. 25.Rd7! Rc8 26.Bh5 f5. |
|
Nov-06-09
 | | Eisenheim: its hard for me to accept that white has any advantage here. to me black is winning. i would love to see some creative inspiring play here to prove me wrong, but also, i feel the game will go to anand. yet, we have to consider white steered it here, so maybe we are in store for a treat |
|
| Nov-06-09 | | vonKrolock: <24...b6> 
click for larger view Keeping the 'a7' is advantageous for black... the coronation square 'a1' is of the same colour of the black prelate (I mean the in g7) - other factors being of transitory effect, except the virtual blocking of the a1-h8 diagonal by means of a e4-e5... |
|
Nov-06-09
| | Eisenheim: i think white needs to defend against 25 ...Bd4. |
|
| Nov-06-09 | | pvk: may be Rd7 |
|
Nov-06-09
 | | Eyal: The silicon monster at chessok gives the line me and <Mateo> were discussing, btw - only with 26...f6 rather than f5, with a 0.00 eval. |
|
Nov-06-09
 | | pawn to QB4: hi zenithooligan - there wasn't a way to hang onto c6. 22.e5 to protect it with that bishop on f3 would have been met by 22...g4. |
|
Nov-06-09
| | Eyal: <there wasn't a way to hang onto c6. 22.e5 to protect it with that bishop on f3 would have been met by 22...g4.> The real question, I think, is why he didn't protect it when it was still on the d-file, with 20.d6... |
|
Nov-06-09
| | zenithooligan: thank you pawn, i see that now...i guess that's why i am sitting here at my computer with a beer and they are the ones playing chess :) |
|
| Nov-06-09 | | whatthefat: Tough position. I'm looking at 25.e5 and 25.Bxf8 here. |
|
Nov-06-09
| | Eyal: Seems like we're heading for a dead draw: 26. Bc7 Rxd7 27. Bxb6 Rxd1+ 28. Bxd1 axb6. |
|
| Nov-06-09 | | whatthefat: Okay, surely drawn now. |
|
Nov-06-09
| | Marmot PFL: No matter - carlsen-morozevich is also a good game. |
|
Nov-06-09
 | | Thorski: On to Carlsen - Moro! |
|
Nov-06-09
 | | dakgootje: heh, anand didn't take more than 30 minutes of thinking time over the whole game :| |
|
| Nov-06-09 | | vonKrolock: <25...d8> can be dubbed a <draw offer>, but due to the strong white pressure over 'f7' in other lines, possibly this was black's best option anyway |
|
Nov-06-09
 | | Bureaucrat: Do we get Carlsen-Moro? |
|
Nov-06-09
 | | virginmind: <Bureaucrat> only the super-premium members get that one :) |
|
| Nov-06-09 | | yalie: Looks like Kramnik learnt something from Bonn. When faced with an Anand novelty, do not try to win on principle - just force the draw (here with 20..dxc instead of 20..d6). |
|
| Nov-09-09 | | yalie: this game annotated by Kramnik himself. very fascinating! http://translate.google.com/transla... |
|
|
|
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 4 OF 4 ·
Later Kibitzing> |
