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Boris Gelfand vs Vladimir Kramnik
Tal Memorial (2009), Moscow RUS, rd 5, Nov-10
Catalan Opening: Open Defense (E04)  ·  1/2-1/2


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  micahtuhy: I can't see a win for Kramnik here unless Boris blunders
Nov-10-09  Billy Vaughan: Why don't they just draw? Because Drawnik <refuses to draw>!
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  plang: <Lattas: Why do they continue? When Rh8 will be played, it is dead draw>

Because Black has nothing to lose by playing on - he has all the chances.

Nov-10-09  whatthefat: A very nice fighting game in any case. And a really good illustration of how tricky it can be to draw a theoretically drawn ending.
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  messachess: They don't call him "Irefusetoconcedethedrawnik" for nothing.
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  Peligroso Patzer: <messachess:> LOL
Premium Chessgames Member Thanks to everybody for participating in today's live chess broadcast. The excitement continues tomorrow morning at 7:00am USA/Eastern. Hope to see you all back for more!
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  eternaloptimist: Well, they finally agreed to a draw. It looked like it was going to be a draw a good while back to me, but u can't really blame Kramnik for playing on since he was a ♙ up. He is clearly very hungry to win this trnt.. If he keeps this up, I might not ever call him Drawnik again!!!! :D
Nov-10-09  meth0dSNK: whens the next game anybody know
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  eternaloptimist: It tells when the next game is in the post that was just made.
Premium Chessgames Member <meth0dSNK: whens the next game anybody know> The next game is the same time this one started, 7:00 USA/Eastern (15:00 Moscow time).
Premium Chessgames Member By the way, it looks like we'll be covering the Carlsen-Anand game since Vishy tied for the lead and we have only featured him once. Sounds like quite a match-up! Hope to see you then.
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  Eyal: The live feed shows them still doing a lively post-mortem at the board (for about 20 minutes now), amazing that they have the energy... or maybe it's the other way around, and the really difficult thing would have been to tear themselves away quickly from this game.
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  eternaloptimist: <Eyal or anybody else that knows> What's the link for that live feed?
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  Eyal: <eternaloptimist> (it's not going on anymore, but you can go a little back if you want to see it).
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  eternaloptimist: Thanks Eyal!
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  keypusher: <AgentRgent: <meth0dSNK> Just because many great chess players were obnoxious jerks, doesn't mean that if you're an obnoxious jerk you're a great chess player... >

LOL!! I am stealing this for my profile.

Nov-10-09  uscfratingmybyear: "Just because many great chess players were obnoxious jerks, doesn't mean that if you're an obnoxious jerk you're a great chess player..." A varient on Bald Eagle Logic-Bald eagles are bald, my uncle is bald, therefore, my uncle is a bald eagle!"
Nov-10-09  Plato: <meth0dSNK: yeah im afraid to play plato ur right bring him in here ill play him right now, pyke u are a joke if u wanted to prove that ur better than me u would have played me long ago, ur a tool>

You'll play me right now? Let's go!

I gave you the opportunity to play me yesterday. I openly challenged you, you said you would play and then immediately put me on ignore. I managed to challenge you again, and you said you would play and then immediately shut down your forum.

As soon as I give you a time and venue for the match (yesterday on playchess, for example) you run away and close your forum.

You are all talk. The challenge is still open. You say you'll play me? Then play me! Stop talking and hiding, Mr. "High 2700"!

Nov-10-09  Plato: <AgentRgent: <meth0dSNK> Just because many great chess players were obnoxious jerks, doesn't mean that if you're an obnoxious jerk you're a great chess player...>


<meth0dSNK>, i've seen you brag that you recently gained rating points after drawing a 2100 player or that one of your great accomplishments is beating the chess program "Little Chess Partner" -- perhaps you are not quite in a position to be calling Gelfand "retarded"...

Nov-10-09  KamikazeAttack: Check out Kramnik's opening with black here ... wild and aggressive again.

This guy is impatient.

He doesn't want to wait to equalise, he just wants a punch up right off the bat!

Nov-10-09  PinnedPiece: Wow coming back to this game later today and I am surprised to see that Gelfland managed a draw here. I thought at around move 22 or so that black had enough of an edge.

Boy what do I know.


Nov-11-09  shintaro go: What a pleasant surprise to see a fighting Kramnik
Nov-11-09  Bjornemann: <Gelfand is an endgame expert so it should be easy for him to draw this.>

Yes, and you were quite right!

Nov-14-09  WhiteRook48: Kramnik actually fights for the win with black
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