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Vladimir Kramnik vs Ruslan Ponomariov
"Vlad the Impaler" (game of the day Nov-15-09)
Tal Memorial (2009)  ·  Queen's Gambit Declined: Ragozin Defense (D38)  ·  1-0
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Nov-11-09
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  cornflake: <tamar: Adjournments would mean 1-0 because of tablebases>

true. but I meant in the old days before they had tablebases.

Nov-11-09
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  Chessmensch: After move 72 Deep Fritz 10 still gives it +2.27, but it could be a draw because it's "too much like work" to keep on and on.
Nov-11-09
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  beenthere240: Last capture on move 57
Nov-11-09
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  beenthere240: doesn't e2 win?
Nov-11-09
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  tamar: <cornflake> I know what you mean. The long uncertainty between adjournment and resumption made adjournments something special. Keres wrote whole chapters about analysis he made in adjournments.
Nov-11-09
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  beenthere240: almost
Nov-11-09
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  Marmot PFL: <zarg> He will lose the pawn or bishop before that.
Nov-11-09  Whack8888: I am not sure if it is practical for Grandmasters to agree not to use computers for a lengthy period of time. They will want to use them to prepare for their next match surely.
Nov-11-09
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  MrSpock: Table Bases: Black looses in 35!
Nov-11-09
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  Ulhumbrus: Black is almost in zugzwang, but not quite. With White's King on the sixth rank, Black's bishop is not tied to the defence of the h pawn and can move along the h2-b8 disgonal.
Nov-11-09
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  SCUBA diver: With R on e4 and black to move, it is a clear win.
Nov-11-09  roughstuff: isn't this over now, either lose the bishop or get mated..zugzwang !..have I missed something
Nov-11-09
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  plang: It seems that if the pawns were farther up the board, say on the 4th and 5th or 5th and 6th, that White would have better chances.

As for the people quoting tablebase wins were they looking specifically at positions with the pawns on the 3rd and 4th?

Nov-11-09
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  waustad: Maybe not. I thought Pono had no moves at one point.
Nov-11-09  Karpova: <plang: As for the people quoting tablebase wins were they looking specifically at positions with the pawns on the 3rd and 4th?>

Yes, win in 32

Nov-11-09
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  SCUBA diver: Now it is an obvious win after K-g6.
Nov-11-09
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  beenthere240: Now its over, since white can play Kg6
Nov-11-09
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  waustad: I guess at that moment, it was Kramnik to move, not Pono.
Nov-11-09
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  beenthere240: What a resource!
Nov-11-09
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  Ulhumbrus: Here is one conceivable winning plan, if White can arrange it, which quite possibly he cannot: Force Black's King to the left until the Black King reaches the a file. With Black's King on the a file, if White can sacrifice the exchange for a pawn on g3, White wins.
Nov-11-09
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  Marmot PFL: 78...Bg3 79 Kg6 and the pawn is gone
Nov-11-09
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  Rook77: Now black could play 38. -Bc7
Nov-11-09
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  waustad: Getting back to that position with Pono to move now.
Nov-11-09  Karpova: Win in 21
Nov-11-09
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