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Apr-19-10
 | | blue wave:  <25.Bd2 Nc4 26.Bxc4 Bxc4 27.0-0-0 Bxf1 28.Rxf1 > i put this on the tree. Maybe 29.Nb5 is a good continuation here? White is the exchange down Rook for Bishop and pawn. The king feels more defendable here. Neither side has the Bishop pair in this line. Black has the passed h pawn which could be the deciding factor? |
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Apr-19-10
 | | Robin01:  Is 25.b3 any good for white here? |
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Apr-19-10
 | | benjinathan: Did you have something in mind after 25...Bxb3?
Is there a possible trick after 26.Rb1 Be6? |
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Apr-19-10
 | | jepflast: Has anyone thought about 25. d5 ? |
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Apr-19-10
| | benjinathan: I wonder about 25. Nb5
25.Nb5 Bb4+ 26.Bd2 Bxd2+ 27.Kxd2 Nc4+ 28.Bxc4 Bxc4 29.Rfc1 Be6 
click for larger viewor more likely we would play something different at 27...from here: 
click for larger viewIf I was them I would be look to trade. |
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Apr-19-10
| | jepflast: <ronpaz1: after 25.Bd2 black can simply play 25...Bb3! and threatening 26...Bg3+. I don't see any good continuation after this.> I know I'm showing up late on this vote, but I'll try to make some small contribution.. 25. Bd2 Bb3 26. Bd3 Bg3+ 27. Ke2 looks pretty good to me. Or 26...Nc4 27. Qf3. |
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Apr-19-10
| | jepflast: There's probably a good reason no one has mentioned this: 25. Bd2 Nc4 26. d5 Nxb2 27. Qd4+ Kg8 <28. dxe6> however, the Black win isn't obvious to me. e.g. 28...Bg3+ 29. Rf2 Rf6 30. Ne4 .... |
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Apr-19-10
 | | capafan: <benjinathan><I wonder about 25. Nb5> The problem with 25.Nb5 (or anything other than 25.Qh1/Qf3) is 25...Bh3; and the WKR does not have a good square. I am truly amazed at how <ToK>'s recommended sequence, starting with 17...Rg8 and ending with 23...Be6, has left white so exposed on the kingside and so weak on the white squares. We have gone from being a pawn ahead to a pawn down in that sequence and yet I cannot find a favorable continuation for white that does not leave white walking along a razor's edge. |
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Apr-19-10
 | | galumph: <jepflast> 25. Bd2 Nc4 26. d5 <Bg3+> 27. Kd1 Nxd2 28. Kxd2 and the pawn on d5 is pinned or 25. Bd2 Nc4 26. d5 <Bg3+> 27. Rf2 Bxf2 28. Kxf2 and we're down the exchange with our king exposed |
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Apr-19-10
 | | Ron: Hey <Artar> I see that you addressed <chesstoplay>'s suggestion after 25.Bd2 Bh3 26.0𢠢 Bxf1 27.Rxf1>
but do have any comments on the line in my original post 25. Bd2 Bh3 25 Bh5 ?
Or are you acting more as an advocate for a certain move? |
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Apr-19-10
 | | chesstoplay: Hey Team... FYI
Team Black is on page 97 compared to our page 80. |
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Apr-19-10
 | | Chessgames Challenge:
25.Bd3
FINAL VOTE RESULTS:
| 25.Bd3 |
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16 | votes |
(59.3%) |
| 25.Bd2 |
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10 | votes |
(37.0%) |
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total # of votes: 27
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Apr-19-10
| | Chessgames Challenge:
25.Bd3
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| Apr-19-10 | | Artar1: <Ron: ...but do have any comments on the line in my original post 25. Bd2 Bh3 25 Bh5 ? Or are you acting more as an advocate for a certain move?> I have no comment; I don't have a board in front of me. I don't want to try to recreate your sequence and the possible replies without one. No, I'm not advocating one more over another. I really don't think White has a good move. We'll now need to wait to see what Black plays. I'm hoping they won't see the strong <...Nd5>. If Black finds that move, we will be under pressure for many moves to come and will have to play patient defense. |
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Apr-19-10
 | | PinnedPiece: Did we analyze this Bd3 move?
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Apr-19-10
 | | WinKing: <PinnedPiece: Did we analyze this Bd3 move?> Not deeply <PinnedPiece>. <ToK> does have a(one) line on it in the spreadsheet. 25...Nd5 looks pretty good as a response but let's look at it as a team a little more closely before we jump on any bandwagons. |
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Apr-19-10
| | PinnedPiece: Well, I think we should look hard for the jugular attack here, and to me the exposed queen is their jugular at the moment. Even more so with the bishop in the way of a retreat square. . |
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| Apr-19-10 | | DanLanglois: <Artar1: <25.> Bd3 ties Black's light-square bishop, temporarily, to the defense of the f7-pawn in order to prevent White from playing Rxf7 followed by Qxg6, etc. <25...Nd5!> strikes at c3 and e3 and allows the knight to hop to b4 where it can exert considerable influence on the White camp. Playing ...Nc4 puts the knight on an active square, threatens ...Nxb2, and strikes at e3 and d2, but ...Nd5 is better. After several hours, I have not found an adequate answer to Black抯 匩d5.> I take 25...Nd5 to be a mistake because of 26. Qh1:
click for larger viewIn the first place, White is threatening to win the exchange. Black can perhaps dance on the edge w/26...Bg3+, but bring it. Leaving that aside, perhaps 26...Rg3 27. Nxd5 & Black is trying to regain the piece: 
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Apr-19-10
 | | kwgurge: Holding off on the bandwagon vote until I see what the teammates devoting more time than I have been able to come up with. |
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Apr-20-10
| | capafan: For those that do not have the benefit of <kutztown46> spreadsheet: <ToK>s response to 25.Bd3 25.Bd3 Nd5
26.Ne2 Qc7
[26.Nb5 Nb4]
27.Rg1 Rxg1+
[27...Bb4+ 28.Kd1 Rxg1+ may be worth considering]
28.Nxg1 Nf6
29.Qg2+ Ng4
[29...Ng4 is better than Bg3+]
30.Ne2 Rb3
[30.Kd1 should also be considered]
31.Be4 f5
32.d5 Bd7
33.Bf3 Qc4
click for larger viewand it is not looking very good for white. White can try the exchange on g4 but that connects the outside pawns and could prove fatal, especially with black's bishop pair still on the board and WQR bottled up. White would like to play e4 but that loses outright to Bb4+. |
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| Apr-20-10 | | Artar1: <chesstoplay: Hey Team... FYI Team Black is on page 97 compared to our page 80.> "Who are those guys?"
Finally got it right!? |
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| Apr-20-10 | | juozas547v: < jepflast:
25. Bd2 Bb3 26. Bd3 Bg3+ 27. Ke2 looks pretty good to me. > 27. ... Be6. Next good move for white? This position now possible in future. Maybe 28.Kd1,... |
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| Apr-20-10 | | Artar1: <Dan>
I抦 not convinced that <25匩d5> is a mistake, even after White plays Qh1. After several hours of study, I have come up with these ideas: <25.Bd3 Nd5 26.Qh1 Rg5> 
click for larger viewRooks and knights are excellent pieces for sacrifices, and this is especially true of this position. <A.> <27.e4> White tries to take advantage of what appears to be a Black mistake by launching a double attack. <27...Bg3+!>
This timely check casts White's plan aside.
<28.Kd1 Bg4+>
click for larger viewBlack pours on the pressure.
<29.Be2> (Kc2 is met by ...Nb4+.) <29...Nf4 30.Qg1> (Bxf4 is met by ...Qxd4+.) 
click for larger view<30...Nxe2 31.Nxe2 Rg6> 
click for larger viewBlack avoids the loss of a piece and White's position is looser still with over-extended center pawns. <B.> <27.Ne4 Rb3> Now if <28.Nxg5 Qxg5 29.Qg1 Rxd3> 
click for larger view <C.> <27.Nxd5 Bxd5 28.e4 Bg3+> 
click for larger view<29.Kd2 Bc4 30.d5 Qc7> 
click for larger viewBlack avoids the loss of a piece and enjoys a comfortable position due to the vulnerability of the White king. <D.> <27.Qe4> (with the idea of Qh7.) <27...Nf6 28.Qh1 Rh5> The queen becomes an easy target.
<29.Qf3 Rh3> Black is better. 
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| Apr-20-10 | | DanLanglois: but a far bigger problem w/25...Nd5 26. Qh1 is 26...Nxc3:
click for larger view<Artar1: <C.> 26.Ne2 Qc7 27.Rg1 Bb4+ 28.Kd1 Rxg1+ 29.Nxg1 Nf6 favors Black.> Can this be repaired. 27. Bd2
click for larger viewBlack could get 26...Bb4+ in. 27. Kd1 Qc7.
What about 26. Kd1.
<Artar1: <B.> 26.Kd1 Qg5<B1.> 27.Nxd5 Bxd5 28.Qf5 Bb3+ 29.Kd2 Qh4 is very good for Black.> 27. Bd2 crossed my mind as well, but what about 27. Nb5 might be even worse. So, I'm stumped, for the moment. 25...Nd5 looks pretty good. |
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| Apr-20-10 | | DanLanglois: 25...Nd5 25. Ne2 Bb4+ 27. Kd1 Qc7 28. Qe5+ forces a queen exchange, actually. Certainly a draw, unless it isn't certain? |
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