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Nigel Short vs Ni Hua
London Chess Classic (2009), London ENG, rd 4, Dec-12
French Defense: Classical. Burn Variation (C11)  ·  1/2-1/2


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Dec-12-09  Ulhumbrus: Perhaps Short wants to set his opponent an exam upon the subject of related squares
Dec-12-09  ajile: wait maybe not


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  Sneaky: <related squares> Please, "conjugate" squares is the accepted term. ;-)
Dec-12-09  ajile: ..Ke6
Dec-12-09  ajile: geez


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  Gypsy: < Sneaky: <related squares> Please, "conjugate" squares is the accepted term. ;-) > Corresponding squares. (They are literate.)
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  acirce: There wasn't even the slightest difficulty in this pawn endgame. It could have been fun if there had been a bunch of those "corresponding squares"...
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  Sneaky: According to my tablebase Hua just blundered because 54...Kd6 = while 54...Kd5? allows 55.Kd3! with mate-in-24.
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  tpstar: White was playing for the trap 51. Kc2 Kc4 52. Kb2 Kd3?? 53. Kb3:

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Now the Black King must move away, then 54. c4 wins. Even in this line, 52 ... Kd5 draws.

Short must be playing to the audience. =)

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  Sneaky: I'm sorry I retract that, I think I was looking at a position that never occurred.
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Dec-12-09  LouLou: <Sneaky> 55.Kd3?? The king is already on d3!
Dec-12-09  ajile: I think we all got the Short end of the stick in this game.
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  Sneaky: LouLou, I know, see previous retraction. I was hopelessly confused. Nobody blundered; it was a tough fought game and a draw was the inevitable result.
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  Marmot PFL: The way they are scoring this tournament white should get 2 points.
Dec-12-09  dakgootje: I think Short just had the Over 60-moves with his personal bookie (of course, the latter doesn't know his clients identity)
Dec-12-09  Ulhumbrus: <tpstar:

...Short must be playing to the audience.> Short could have decided to give a lesson to the younger members of his audience, by showing them how the ending was drawn.

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  tpstar: <Ulhumbrus> I think Ni Hua was the one showing how this K&P endgame was drawn. =)

Once Black avoided the ... Kc4/... Kd3?? line which was White's only hope, it was time to draw. Then they can both teach students about endgame technique in the post mortem. I find it disrespectful making another GM play this out to stalemate.

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  HeMateMe: Is Nigel being paid by the move, in this event?
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  Sneaky: <I find it disrespectful making another GM play this out to stalemate.> I don't. It's completely the players' prerogative whether or not to play it out. Like tpstar said, now they have some material for student lectures. Just think of all the times you look up some ending on Chessgames like a Bishop+Knight mate and you think "darn, why didn't they play it out to the end?" But once in a while two of them really do play it out, and the result is instructional. It's not a question of hoping that the guy's cellphone goes off, or that he runs out of time, or that he touches the wrong piece--it's just for the beauty of the game.
Dec-12-09  JG27Pyth: Are you kidding? -- there's got to be some side story here -- I'd have been surprised to see Class A players play this out to the end.

Was this disrespect, or comedy, or what?

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  Sneaky: It happens all the time, haven't you seen GM games end where both sides have nothing but naked kings? E.g. Leko vs Kramnik, 2004. No side-story, no time-pressure, just the whimsy of the players on that particular day.
Dec-12-09  Dredge Rivers: Another freaking draw! What's the deal?
Dec-13-09  ajile: So the advance (e5) french is no longer in style? How does White get any advantage in this variation?
Dec-13-09  jon01: This endgame that occurs after 48. ...b5 is almost identical to Timman vs Yusupov, 1994. It shows the power of opposition and it's essential knowledge for every chess player.
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