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| Feb-15-10 | | patcheck: Thanks Tamar, but it would have been tower bishop and two pawns against towe and bishop |
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| Feb-15-10 | | patcheck: I mean rook + bishop + 2 pawns against rook and bishop. Can't black win this endgame. I think they can |
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Feb-15-10
 | | Richard Taylor: As soon as I made the comment above "Why is it draw with 2 pawns?" I saw why myself. But meantime there had been about 6 comments on the subject before my next one! |
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Feb-15-10
 | | OneArmedScissor: black projekt get out |
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| Feb-15-10 | | Nezhmetdinov: black.pr0jekt - straight on my ignore list - well done! |
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Feb-15-10
 | | tamar: <patcheck> You have to say how White makes progress from your line. 
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The threat is d6, so ...Kf6 Rc6+ Kf5 d6 Bxd6 Rxd6 leads to the line I proposed. If White does not take push the pawn, Black takes on h4 and easily draws. |
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Feb-15-10
 | | lost in space: <ill chedckmate any of you with me as white in this position> Not me. Deadest draw ever. Easier to told than  vs + 2  |
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Feb-15-10
 | | Peligroso Patzer: <patcheck: [47.] Rxc4 - Be7; [48.] Rc7 and if [48. …] Rxh4 [49.] d6> <patcheck: What could have done black if 47 Rxc4 with the line I gave ?> <patcheck: I mean rook + bishop + 2 pawns against rook and bishop. Can't black win this endgame. I think they can> After 47.Rxc4 Be7 48.Rc7 Black plays 48. ... Kf6 and if 49.Rc6+ then 49 ... Kf5 will hold. |
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Feb-15-10
 | | kb2ct: <Peligroso Patzer: pawnless R + B vs. R.> The second rank defense is reliable with only a few tricks. The weak side keeps both king and rook on the second rank. :0) |
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| Feb-15-10 | | patcheck: Thanks Tamar.
I am thniking about Te6 instead of d6 in the line you gave : The threat is d6, so ...Kf6 Rc6+ Kf5 d6 Bxd6 Rxd6 leads to the line I proposed. |
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| Feb-15-10 | | patcheck: I mean Te6 no Td6 |
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Feb-15-10
| | tamar: <patcheck> Sooner or later you have to advance d6. I think you are referring to this possible position 
click for larger viewBlack has ...Bc5+ Kf1 and Rxh4 so I don't see how White can ever win. |
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Feb-15-10
 | | karnak64: I'd say my pick of 35. Nc4 ended Aronian's chances. Memo to self: stop using my telepathic powers during major chess tournaments ... |
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Feb-15-10
| | lost in space: thanks, black project, you are now on my ignore list (which is really short) |
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Feb-15-10
| | tamar: I never saw a clear win for White with 35 e6. The pawns get frozen on d5 and e6 and Black is the one with the dark square bishop. But perhaps there is a way to infiltrate the queenside and gradually pry away the defenders. Aronian didn't play it badly in my opinion. |
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Feb-15-10
 | | Eyal: About the dead draw in the final position - it's actually due to a combination of the presence of bishops of opposite color and the queening square of the h-pawn being in the wrong color, as far as the white bishop is concerned; since the bishops are of opposite color the d-pawn is useless, since White can't prevent the black bishop from guarding d6 and taking the pawn the moment it advances, leaving White with the equally useless h-pawn. |
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Feb-15-10
 | | norami: Switch the white bishop to the black squares and the black bishop to the white squares and it's a tablebase win in spite of bishops of opposite colors. |
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| Feb-15-10 | | black.pr0jekt: he shouldav atleast tried considering the time pressure, mayb topalov would have made a mistake, |
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| Feb-15-10 | | patcheck: OK Tamar. I watched more carefully and I think you're right |
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Feb-15-10
 | | HeMateMe: Seems a shame Aronian couldn't get the full point after outplaying Topa. I thought, if white can anchor one pawn with his Bishop, guard it with the bishop, then use his king to push the other pawn, blacks bishop has to lose, taking one of the pawns. It seems the pawns are far enough apart for this to work, but GMs must know it can't be won. |
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| Feb-15-10 | | black.pr0jekt: ye its a draw black can give its bishop for the d pawn but cant get the king out of the corner to promote |
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| Feb-16-10 | | chillowack: The second time in this tournament that Topalov played into a drawn two-pawns-down ending. |
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Feb-18-10
| | HeMateMe: Mig Greengard:
"Topalov was on the ropes in his old favorite, the Benoni, against Aronian. Topalov always finds a way to create counterplay and here he went to the necessary extremes with ..g5! and ..f6 to open up lines for his pieces. The saving drawing tactic at the end is fantastic, with 38..Nd6! and then the a-pawn winning back the piece to reach a theoretically drawn rook and bishop endgame down two pawns! Wow. Instead of trying to blast Topalov's interesting arrangement of ..Re7, ..Be8 apart, <Aronian played it in Karpovian style> with queenside maneuvering and slow progress." Seems spot on. Topalov always makes in interesting. Maybe he is like the Alekhinian description: He must be beaten three times to win a game--in the opening, the middle and the end game. |
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Oct-16-10
 | | wordfunph: For this spectacular draw in round 3, Veselin Topalov and Levon Aronian
were awarded the beauty prize that consisted of 27 liters of olive oil. One bottle they received in Linares, the rest was sent to their homes. Source: New In Chess Magazine 2010 #3 |
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| Jan-01-12 | | Penguincw: A temporary knight sac given by Topalov, but Aronian ends up being forced to give it back. |
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