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Francis Joseph Lee vs Samuel Tinsley
Simpson's Divan (1891), London ENG, Jun-16
French Defense: Classical. Steinitz Variation (C11)  ·  0-1


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Jan-27-11  johnallengay: 4. . . . Ng8?!
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  Phony Benoni: <4...Ng8> has its points, aside from the merely psychological. As seen in this game, Black can try to establish the knight on the f5 square weakened by White's e4-e5 push. This is not easily done if the knight goes to d7 instead.

It has been played by such disparate souls as Petrosian and Bronstein, but has never had much popularity. Most seem to feel it is more of an advantage to have the knight on d7, participating in the pressure on White's center.

Jan-27-11  Sparta: Can someone explain why white can't simply play 19. Qxg8+? It's late here and I am very confused...
Jan-27-11  hugoqu: I think he should have played Qxg8+, since the only reply is Bf8 and white has a nice attack. I think Qf4 is big blunder
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  NM JRousselle: Maybe the move was 18... Rf8. Rg8 certainly does not make sense. It has to be a typo.
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  Phony Benoni: OK, I think I may have figured this out.

First, the name "F Li" puzzled me; it's hard to imagine a player with that name being at London in 1891. While browsing around a bit, I got to wondering if it might actually be Francis Joseph Lee.

So I went to Google Books, and soon found this position from the <British Chess Magazine> for 1891, p. 321-322 (see

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As you can see, this is the position after <19...Qb6> in the game on this page, except that White's dark squared bishop is on g5 instead of c1. The game is described as being played between F.J. Lee and Tinsley at a tournament in London in 1891.

Unfortunately, BCM does not give the previous moves, but the continuation is exactly as we have here. What has apparently happened is that White played <18.Bg5> instead of 18.Qg5. Now, 18...Rg8 makes sense.

Jan-27-11  hugoqu: Wow that is some good research Phony Benoni.
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  Phony Benoni: Just to verify, I have found the complete game in the <International Chess Magazine> for 1891, p.156, complete with notes by Steinitz:

As might be expected, he approves of 4...Ng8:

<"New, and a good idea apparently. It is perhaps as well not to overcrowd the Q side by moving the same Kt to Q2 as usually done. The text move also keeps a piece on the K side, which comes in for a counter-attack as well as for the defence later on.">

He also notes elsewhere that the game won the brilliancy prize of one guinea offered by Mr. Frankenstein. Go right ahead. Be my guest.

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  TheFocus: Well, it was a Monster game, what with all the different parts.
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