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Viswanathan Anand vs Veselin Topalov
Anand - Topalov World Championship Match (2010), Sofia BUL, rd 9, May-06
Nimzo-Indian Defense: Normal Variation. Bernstein Defense Except Gligoric System (E53)  ·  1/2-1/2
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Viswanathan Anand vs Veselin Topalov (2010)


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May-07-10
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  acirce: <I rather suspect that the real reason that there have been no e4 games in this short match is because of the rise of the Petrov and Berlin Wall. Both make winning with white a tedious and difficult proposition>

Yeah, as opposed to winning with white in the Slav line played three times in this match.

Neither the Petroff nor the Berlin equalizes by force (much less draws, of course) - then it would be played far more often.

And I don't think it's that likely that Topalov or Anand has been intending to play any of those openings on 1.e4, but obviously you can't rule it out.

May-07-10  slomarko: click on the "View photograph of this game" if you want to see the photograph of another game where Topalov had white.
May-08-10  Abdooss: <Playground Player> <I was just looking at Capablanca vs. Alekhine, 1927 (anybody know what the purse was, for that grueling match?), comparing it to this championship match, and it raised a question in my mind.>

The purse for the 1927 World Championship was at USD10,000 .. For the return match (which never materialized), Alekhine demanded the value of the 1927 purse, but not in its depreciated currency. He wanted it to be in gold coins too.

May-08-10  MrQuinn: Acirce, Anand has played the Petrov many times; he has a +1 score with it against Topa, in fact. And Topalov has played the Berlin in the past--three times against Anand himself (-1). So, yes, they can't be ruled out--by any means. Also, I did not say they equalize by force, I said they achieve drawish ( ) positions with virtually nothing white can do to prevent it. Big diff. Black holds many, many dry Petrov and Berlin positions that are , simply playing not to lose. Playing 1. e4 faces a mountain of Kramnikian theory in both the Petrov as well as the Berlin. (Why do you think Anand avoided 1. e4 against Kramnik?) 1. d4 just offers more target rich positions, even in the Slav, than facing the Petrov or Berlin does. With only six whites that is crucially important.
May-08-10  Absentee: What game is the photo taken from? 'Cause it sure can't be this one.
May-08-10  Kazzak: <Abdooss>
Purses have definitely gone up.

$124000.00 in the year 2009 has the same "purchase power" as $10000 in the year 1927.

May-08-10
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  playground player: <acirce>, <Mr.Quin> et al--Thanks for observations. Not having followed Kramnik's career, I wasn't aware that the Petroff was making a powerful comeback. Frank Marshall would be pleased.

But can the Petroff really be that impregnable a defense for Black?

And if computer analysis really is forcing everybody to play 1.d4 in virtually every game... well, artistically, that's a very sad development.

May-08-10
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  acirce: <MrQuinn> I am aware that Anand has played the Petroff many times, and I've pointed out myself that he has had very good results with it. But it is far from his favoured opening, and he seems only to have played it once since 2005.

The way you describe Petroff and Berlin positions is exactly how one could describe that Slav ending in games 3, 5 and 8. Except that White doesn't have to allow the Petroff so get that dry (as Topalov and Anand have both proven many times). But there is nothing wrong at all with getting a slight advantage in a drawish position with very little risk of losing. Just like there is nothing wrong with accepting a slight disadvantage and then play simply to hold. It comes down to your own confidence in playing such positions.

It is conventional wisdom that the Petroff and the Berlin have discouraged White players from 1.e4, and there is something to it of course, but they have both proven shaky a lot of times, even in Kramnik's hands.

In this case I would rather guess they want to avoid each other's Sicilians.

May-08-10  Bdellovibrio: <Frank Marshall would be pleased.>

Well he was trying to <win> with the Petrov, so maybe not.

May-08-10  Ulhumbrus: <Kazzak: <Abdooss> Purses have definitely gone up.

$124000.00 in the year 2009 has the same "purchase power" as $10000 in the year 1927.>

In 1927 $10000 would have bought 500 ounces of gold at the rate of $20 per ounce. At a price of $1000 per ounce today, 500 ounces are worth $500000. However if we assume that the price of gold has become inflated to three times the actual cost of living, your figure of $124,000 could be about right.

May-08-10  MrQuinn: Acirce, I frankly doubt that a career Sicilian killer like Anand is afraid of Topalov's Sicilian. And vice versa. No, I think the conventional wisdom you mentioned is the over riding factor here. Winning with 1. e4 is simply very hard to do against the Petrov (and Berlin), both openings are in the repertoires of both players, and 1. d4 offers better chances to reach more dynamic positions--rather than avoid them as you posit.
May-08-10
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  HeMateMe: It all runs in cycles. I bet if a top GM set up a Berlin or Petroff position, say, 12 moves in, against Rybka or Shredder the Computer, playing black, would score plus against the GM. White just has to find new ideas to beat the current fashionable defences.
May-08-10  Albertan: I have posted analysis of the 9th game of the 2010 World Chess Championship to my blog using the program Chessviewer Deluxe. This is game number 55 in the Chessviewer Deluxe game index. I created a file of games using Chessbase Megadatabase 2010, and also used Deep Rybka 3 in analysis mode for 3 hours to analyze this game. I hope you drop by my blog and play through this game (which Deep Rybka 3 indicates Anand could have won!) My blog is at:http://albertan1956.blogspot.com/
May-09-10  Blackmagic: Topalov had black at this game, but the picture shows he is playing white. Wrong pic, I guess?
May-09-10
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  wordfunph: <Blackmagic: Topalov had black at this game, but the picture shows he is playing white. Wrong pic, I guess?>

100% wrong pic..

May-11-10
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  kingscrusher: I have video annotated this game in three parts:

Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuQ2...

Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu02...

Part 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6E6...

May-11-10
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  WannaBe: The picture is right, just the players sat down at the wrong seat...
May-11-10  laskereshevsky: yap

.....Topalov was in difficulty cause he can flip the board in his computer's like mind.....

...and Anand was no able to obiected cause his "Brahmin" life style didnt allow him to complain with the bulgarian who sitted in the wrong chair....

So....

May-11-10  laskereshevsky: Rumors saying that Anand, even if he's a peacefull person, is not yet ready to forgive the Eyjafjallajokull vulcan for having troubled the beginning of the match with his ash cloud.....

But not cause He's still to bear the vulcan a grudge...

The point is, ...If only the Indian guy was able to pronounce it.....

May-14-10  CharlesSullivan: Rybka3 confirms that White has a win with 33.Rc8+. After <37 hours>, Rybka3 rates the position as <+4.04> for White. Here are the further moves in the variation: 33...Kg7 34.Rec1 Qd2 35.h4 Nd7 36.R1c7 Kh6 37.Kh2 Qf4+ 38.Kh3 Qf5+ 39.g4 Qb5 40.Rc1 Kg7 41.Nxe6+ Kf6 42.Ng5 h5 43.Re8 hxg4+ 44.Kg3 Qd5 45.Rce1 gxf3 46.R1e6+ Kf5 47.R8e7 Nf6 48.Rf7

<Black cannot avoid the loss of decisive material>


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May-20-10  CharlesSullivan: Both Dennis Monokroussos and Anish Giri say that White still had a win with 65.Rdd7. After 65...b2, Monokroussos demonstrated a winning line for White, and Giri says that Fritz shows White winning after 65...Qe1+ 66.Kg4!

However, 65.Rdd7 Qe1+! draws:


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(A) 66.Kf4 b2 67.Rc7+ Kd8! 68.Rgd7+ Ke8 69.Re7+ Qxe7 70.Rxe7+ Kxe7 71.Nb1


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is a draw.

< Much trickier is this variation ... >

(B) 66.Kg4 b2 67.Rc7+ Kb8! 68. Rb7+ Ka8 69.Ra7+ Kb8 70.Rgb7+ Kc8 71.Re7 Qg1+ 72.Kf5 Qc5+ 73.Kg6 Qd6+ 74.Kh7

< How does Black draw this? >


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74...Kb8!!

(Trying for a perpetual check with 74...Qd3+ can be worked out to a win for White after 75.Ne4 b1=Q 76.Re8+ Qd8 77.Ra8+ Ke7 78.Rexd8)

75.Reb7+ Kc8 76.Rf7 Kb8 77.Rab7+ Ka8 78.Rxb2 Qh2+ 79.Kg8 Qg1+ 80.Rg7 Qd4 81.Rbb7 Qd5+ 82.Rbf7 a3 83.Ne4 a2 84.Rg1 Qd4 85.Re1 a1=Q 86.Rxa1+ Qxa1


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Draw!

May-22-10  Kazzak: From Topalov's 46... gxh5, this is probably the most frustrating game of chess I've ever watched. With the balance tipping entirely in white's favor, and then watching the advantage simply running out into the sand.

Revisited the game now, and had that same bout of frustration I felt during the game.

Jun-15-10  talisman: <WannaBe> laughing out loud! now as for the caption for the pic.
should it be 1."hey toppy are you going to play the WannaBe Opening? or 2. "Hey are you VaselineToplove from chessgames?
Aug-18-10  invas0rX: noobs game 1 billon error
Dec-25-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  Penguincw: Video analysis of this game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlY....
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