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|Jul-18-10|| ||MindCtrol9: AuN1:You got it right.|
|Jul-18-10|| ||Call me Ishmael: <mindCtrol9> I'm not sure I understand your logic. All chess victories are the result of a mistake by the opponent. Why can't you compare this game to the Evergreen or other immortal games? They too were the result of a mistake by the opponent.|
In this game a seemingly innocuous mistake leads to a spectacular multiple move sacrifice combination which forces a win. No different than these other games:
Anderssen vs Kieseritzky, 1851
Morphy vs T Lichtenhein, 1857
Spassky vs Bronstein, 1960
What makes this game even better is that it was against a former world champion!!
|Jul-19-10|| ||Ulhumbrus: 4...Be7 loses a tempo for development.
10...Qc8 loses another tempo for development, as the move does not connect the Rooks.
After 12 Rac1 White's pieces are four moves ahead in development of Black's pieces, although it is Black's turn to move. All the same, an alternative to 12 Rac1 is 12 f4.
Instead of 14...cxd5, 14...exd5 may be better, as after this the c6 pawn is free to move.
15...g5? disturbs the King side pawns without necessity and this in a position where Black is far behind in development. Ponomariev reacts with a piece sacrifice on d5, opening lines for his further developed pieces. Instead of this 15...Rd8 attempts to catch up in development and clears the f8 square for Black's N.
|Jul-19-10|| ||Kinghunt: < Ulhumbrus: 4...Be7 loses a tempo for development.>|
Annotating by result. 4...Be7 is the main move in that position and a very well accepted part of Catalan theory.
|Jul-20-10|| ||Ulhumbrus: <Kinghunt: < Ulhumbrus: 4...Be7 loses a tempo for development.>
Annotating by result. 4...Be7 is the main move in that position and a very well accepted part of Catalan theory.> No, annotating by the observation that 4...Be7 does move the bishop a second time, and so loses a tempo for development.|
|Jul-21-10|| ||anjyplayer: elegance at its best.|
|Jul-25-10|| ||MrSpock: Hi all :-)
10. ... Qc8 (?) is the move which allows this excellent attack.
But after 17. ... Bd8 instead of Qd8 the game stays thrilling.
Brilliant game bei Pomo :-)))
|Jul-26-10|| ||Nouvelle: <Call me Ishmael> You know, Morphy is Ponomariov´s favorite old-time World Champion ;)|
|Jul-26-10|| ||whiteshark: Funny caricature(s) of Ponomariov-Kramnik: http://www.chessvibes.com/cartoons/...|
by Jose Diaz: http://www.diazcartoons.nl/
|Jul-28-10|| ||hellopolgar: sun tzu:
<It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles.>
to beat the all-mighty kramnik, you must shift him out of his comfort zone, and pono's <15. Bf4> is a bait for kramnik who moved his pawn to <g5> thus giving pono the chance to pull off the sacrifice with the next move <16. Bxd5>, this move doesn't win the game instantly as analysis shows that the position is still pretty even, but this sacrifice made kramnik really really uncomfortable thus blundered 17. ... Qd8 and he never recovered.
|Aug-09-10|| ||Whitehat1963: The end might have been tricky, but Pono played perfectly, of course.|
|Aug-10-10|| ||culei: Even though 20 nxq look good it actually
Loses to the preassure of the 2 bishops
But well maybe 19 qb3 was much better or at least that's what I tought
,Didn't give it much brain I'm saying this by memory but maybe the knight could do
Some harm. But anyway great play by pom I wish I coulddefeat kramnik.
|Sep-13-10|| ||LIFE Master AJ: Good play by Kramnik, Pono was squashed, he never had a chance.|
|Sep-13-10|| ||rapidcitychess: <LMAJ> I thought white was Kramnik too!|
|Sep-13-10|| ||tamar: Good game to study, fantastic recognition by Ponomariov, when confronted by the offbeat 10...Qc8, to see d5 is vulnerable.|
|Sep-13-10|| ||LIFE Master AJ: Retraction - I only briefly glanced at the header ... and assumed it was Kramnik who won. |
Obviously, Pono played a brilliant game.
|Sep-17-10|| ||castle dweller: Can't you hear Kramnik screaming "CAN I PASS" instead of being forced to make a move on #35!|
|Sep-20-10|| ||Bobwhoosta: <Ulhumbrus 4.Be7 loses a tempo for development>|
That was black's plan when he played Bb4+. He doesn't want to trade the d2 bishop when White moves Bd2, and I don't think it's okay when he plays Qe7 because white's a3 is very uncomfortable (either he develops white's queen for him with Bxd2 or he's forced back into a passive position that lacks flexibility).
So, black's idea is this: "If I can get White's bishop onto d2, it eliminates Bb2 options for the future, and places the bishop on a bad square where it is not well developed. On d2 it blocks the queen's view of the d4 pawn, causing possible problems with development in the future." Therefore, since bd2 is developed into a worse position than Be7, black basically developed his bishop to e7 while forcing white's bishop onto a bad square. White would probably actually rather have it on c1 right now, and the only benefit I see to it being on d2 is white can rc1 earlier than in other lines.
So, your analysis of be7 is quite shallow at best.
|Sep-21-10|| ||atripodi: "The line I'm recommending, giving check on move 4, has the support of much of the world's elite...Kramnik has played it a few times and...it has been played by...Topalov, Shirov, Adams...Spasky...and Korchnoi. The idea is to play the solid closed defense, but without allowing White the option of the double fianchetto." -Larry Kaufman The Chess Advantage in Black and White.
Even though he lost this game, we cannot assume Kramnik's understanding of the Catalan ended at move four and he played a ridiculous retreat. The idea is simply that white's dark-squared bishop is worse place at d2 than c1 since it disallows a fianchetto and takes d2 away from the knight.|
|Sep-21-10|| ||MaxxLange: Kaufman's book is getting old....make sure to check the sharp lines against recent games|
|Sep-21-10|| ||atripodi: <MaxxLange> The book is definitely getting old, unfortunately for me. I wasn't making a case for it being the refutation of the Catalan or anything, just letting a better player than myself explain the strategic basis of the apparently tempo-losing 4...Be7.|
|Sep-21-10|| ||ycbaywtb: why do so many Catalans end up with a pass pawn for White?|
|Oct-14-12|| ||Everett: <Ulhumbrus: <Kinghunt: < Ulhumbrus: 4...Be7 loses a tempo for development.> Annotating by result. 4...Be7 is the main move in that position and a very well accepted part of Catalan theory.> No, annotating by the observation that 4...Be7 does move the bishop a second time, and so loses a tempo for development.>|
You might have noticed that d2 is not the ideal square for the bishop, so White loses a tempo as well.
Great game, btw.
|Oct-14-12|| ||perfidious: The manoeuvre with ....Bb4+ and ....Be7 is also seen in the Classical Dutch and the 4.g3 Queen's Indian.|
<Ulhumbrus> and his dogmatism from the age of Tarrasch come a cropper yet again.
|Oct-14-12|| ||rapidcitychess: <perfidious>
Chernev is the first person that comes to my mind.
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