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| Nov-23-10 | | LIFE Master AJ: 32.Rxa8 Rxa8 33.Bf1 Bxf1 34.Kxf1 e5รท 35.dxe5 Nxe5 36.Qf5 36...h4 or 36...Re8. |
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| Nov-23-10 | | DanLanglois: or something else. |
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Nov-23-10
 | | Tabanus: That may not win. Off to work. |
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| Nov-23-10 | | DanLanglois: Current main line:
32.Rxa8 Rxa8 33.Bf1 Ba4 34. Qa2 Qd8
click for larger viewBlack can probably hold this. However, 34...Qd8 is a finesse. A whopping trap is if Black plays anything else. Happily, test your engine on this, it's a good trap. As for the noise on the wire about 33...Bxf1, this again is not the engine move, although it does seem to present Black w/drawing chances. The position is I believe understood well and has been explored if you want to go through the posts. 22. Rxa8 is my vote, although I do not claim that it wins. |
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| Nov-23-10 | | DanLanglois: 33...Bxf1 is not disaster for us, 2 b clear. We didn't have a win anyways. It doesn't appear that 33...Bxf1 is best, we probably won't see it. The real suspense is over Black's 34th move. |
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Nov-23-10
 | | Golden Executive: At: 00:08:16
32.Nc4 (68 votes)
32.Rda1 (46 votes)
32.Qa2 (43 votes)
32.Rxa8 (9 votes)
Total # of votes: 168 Draw offers: 10%
<RV> Section D: <32.Rxa8 Rxa8> +0.24 d=27 At: 02:35:40
32.Nc4 (60 votes)
32.Rda1 (51 votes)
32.Qa2 (35 votes)
32.Rxa8 (31 votes)
Total # of votes: 180 Draw offers: 10%
At: 02:58:40
32.Nc4 (59 votes)
32.Rda1 (51 votes)
32.Rxa8 (35 votes)
32.Qa2 (35 votes)
Total # of votes: 183 Draw offers: 10%
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| Nov-23-10 | | cormier: <<<RV>> Section D: <32.Rxa8 Rxa8:
<[+0.24] <d=27 <32.Rxa8 Rxa8 <33.Rb1(New!) <Ra4 34.Qd1 Ra2 35.Bf1 Bxf1 36.Qxf1 e5 37.Qc4 Ra5 38.Nf5 exd4 39.Nd6 Nxc5 40.Nxf7 Kh7 41.N7g5 Bxg5 42.Nxg5 Kg6 43.h4 Qd7 44.Qg8 d3 45.Qh7 Kf6 46.Qxh5 d2 47.Rd1 <we've got to know pogo will try to get out of it, <russian strategy player often opp for positional plus but now it turned against herself, <our stuff is dynamic ... <(1 - 0) is in sight ..... tks G>>>>>>>>> |
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Nov-23-10
 | | imag: Hey I woke up and I am seeing 0.24 in top <RV> line! Is it a dream? BTW great job guys, and thanks for the summary <jepflast>. I have been working on Qa2 yesterday and concluded the following: 32.Qa2 Rxa3 33.Qxa3 <g6> ends up in the line where Black plays e5 and we respond d5. The line looks very good for White, except for one single line where Rybka finds 0.00 equality for Black. I would recommend this line if we had nothing better, because it makes Black force the draw or lose. But it seems that we now have better with 32.Rxa8! So I am switching to 32.Rxa8. |
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| Nov-23-10 | | bumble46: I voted for <32.Rxa8>. <32.Rxa8 Rxa8 33.Bf1 Bxf1> a) 33...Ba4 34.Qa2 Ra7 35.Ra1 e5 36.Bc4 exd4 37.Bxf7+ Kh8 38.Nf5 Nxc5 39.Bxh5 Qd7 40.N3h4 Qd5 41.Qe2  b) 33...Ba4 34.Qa2 Ra7 35.Ra1 e5 36.Bc4 exd4 37.Bxf7+ Kh8 38.Nf5 Nxc5 39.Bxh5 d3 40.Re1 Bb3 41.Qd2 ) 40.N3h4 Qd5 41.Qe2 <34.Kxf1 e5 35.dxe5 Nxe5 36.Qf5 Re8 37.Rd6> [37.Nd2 Be7 38.Ne4 g6 39.Qf4 Rd8 40.Rxd8+ Bxd8 41.Nd6 Qe7 42.Qe4 f5 43.Qd4 Bc7 44.Kg2 Near equal.] <37...Qc8 38.Qxc8 Rxc8 39.Nxe5 Bxe5 40.Rd7 Rc7 41.Rxc7 Bxc7 42.Ke2> Near equal. |
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| Nov-23-10 | | Artar1: I voted for <32.Rxa8>. |
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Nov-23-10
 | | morfishine: <OhioChessFan><That concerns me> <jepflast> <How can Rybka possibly miss something a great number of our analysts would see OTB?> Concerns me too, much like R not telling us <22.cxb> gives strong advantage white; But what the heck, finding a 'hole' in R's or H's or S-fish analysis isn't all negative; can only be a plus for us...unless its seen further and that it really is bad; talk about having to do our homework |
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Nov-23-10
| | Tabanus: From RV <Section D: <32.Rxa8 Rxa8> [+0.08] d=24 33.h4 Qa7 34.Qe4 Qa4 35.Qf4 Qb4 36.Qc7 Nf8 37.Bf1 Ra4 38.Qb7 Bxf1 39.Qxb4 Rxb4 40.Kxf1 Nd7 41.Ke2 Ra4 42.Nc2 Ra2> This line is also interesting. Vote 32.Rxa8! |
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| Nov-23-10 | | ossipossi: Back to page 811, I spotted <32.Qa2> OTB, before <31.Ra8> was played. Back to page 816 must confess I hurried to vote to get it analyzed by the team. The point is evitate occupation of a1 with a Rook, because <a1> is a bit poisoned square. Also it discourages <32.e5>. <Strategically> speaking, <e5> when played, releases tension: frees black, get rid of our <d4 weakness>. So <e5> looks better for white than for black! GMP will play <e5> only in favourable occasion, not if we can play <d5> which is good for us instead. Nc4 has some <famous Ng4> features, coffehouse tricks, do you not understand Ne3 is best place for Knight? Only move to compete with <32.Qa2> is <32.Rxa8>, yes we called for <31.Ra8>, then an engine does the rest. I shall knee before a well done engine analysis, by now I stick to <32.Qa2> (fond of) |
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Nov-23-10
| | morfishine: Switched to <32.Rxa8>. I think she doesn't think this is possible but it goes back to when we grabbed the a-file; I felt an objective was to exchange 1-pair of rooks which would improve whites position (or vice-versa make it harder for Black to cover everything). The intriguing thing here is we surrender the a-file, but can seize it back and meanwhile our position has improved. Great work guys |
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Nov-23-10
 | | truefriends: Just dropped in cause i had a chess tournement last night... Section D: <32.Rxa8 Rxa8> [+0.24] d=27 32.Rxa8 Rxa8 33.Rb1 Ra4 34.Qd1 Ra2 35.Bf1 Bxf1 36.Qxf1 e5 37.Qc4 Ra5 38.Nf5 exd4 39.Nd6 Nxc5 40.Nxf7 Kh7 41.N7g5 Bxg5 42.Nxg5 Kg6 43.h4 Qd7 44.Qg8 d3 45.Qh7 Kf6 46.Qxh5 d2 47.Rd1 Why isn't this move voted most??? |
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| Nov-23-10 | | LIFE Master AJ: 03:18 AM Pensacola, FL (USA)
37...Ra5 looks like (maybe) a mistake.
Doing this blindfold, cannot be sure ... |
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| Nov-23-10 | | Skakalec: <Why isn't this move voted most???
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I don't know. Doing my best.
Voting <Ra8>. |
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Nov-23-10
| | truefriends: < Skakalec: <Why isn't this move voted most??? > I don't know. Doing my best.
Voting <Ra8>.> Hope you voted Rxa8 cause Ra8 is an illegal move ;-) |
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Nov-23-10
| | Tabanus: I feel bad about my behaviour the last days. Especially yesterday. How many did I manage to insult? I can think of Ceri, Domdaniel, addhitana, blue wave, AgentRgent, and RV. And probably Once, DPLeo, and lost in space. And all 25.Ng4 voters. Anyone else? Apology to all. |
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Nov-23-10
 | | adhitthana: Wow um thanks for that <tabanus> I dint think you offended me to much but I really appreciate your sentiments. And , I've always appreciated your input here too |
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| Nov-23-10 | | Ceri: Hi, folks,
I got back late last night to find that Black is trying to make a game of it - some of the psychological themes discussed through the last couple of moves are, perhaps, surfacing. Not having any time, I just let Houdini look at Black's options if we had played Nc4 - these may not be relevant now, but here they are for the record, at 31 ply: 
click for larger view31 +0.07 32...Rxa3 33.Nxa3 Ba6 34.Qa4 Ra8 35.h4 Ra7 36.Qc2 e5 37.dxe5 Nxe5 38.Nxe5 Qxe5 39.Bxc6 Rc7 40.Bd5 Be7 41.Nc4 Bxc4 42.Bxc4 Qxc5 43.Rc1 Kh8 44.Qb2 Qf5 45.Rc3 Bf6 31 +0.10 32...Bxc4 33.Rxa8 Rxa8 34.Qxc4 g6 35.h4 Bg7 36.Qb3 Nf6 37.Ne5 Nd5 38.Bxd5 exd5 39.Nf3 Rb8 40.Qe3 Bf6 41.Ra1 Qb7 42.Ra3 Kg7 43.Kg2 31 +0.14 32...Nf8 33.h4 Bxc4 34.Rxa8 Rxa8 35.Qxc4 Rd8 36.Rb1 Ng6 37.Qa6 Qc8 38.Qxc8 Rxc8 39.Bf1 Ne7 40.Bd3 Kf8 41.Ra1 Nd5 42.Ra3 Ke7 43.Be4 Kd7 44.Bxd5 31 +0.23 32...g5 33.h3 Bxc4 34.Rxa8 Rxa8 35.Qxc4 h4 36.gxh4 gxh4 37.Ne1 Bg7 38.Qc1 Ra4 39.Qg5 Nf8 40.Qxh4 Ng6 41.Qe4 Nf4 42.Nf3 Ra2 43.Qe3 Nd5 44.Qb3 Ra8 I am now going to go digging into the Rxa8 lines, because I am beginning to like what might be turning up. Cheers,
Cier |
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| Nov-23-10 | | Ceri: Tabanus: I feel bad about my behaviour the last days. Especially yesterday. How many did I manage to insult? I can think of Ceri, Domdaniel, addhitana, blue wave, AgentRgent, and RV. And probably Once, DPLeo, and lost in space. And all 25.Ng4 voters.
Anyone else? Apology to all.
Accepted with a warm handshake, followed by a hug.
Cheers,
Ceri |
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Nov-23-10
 | | Check It Out: POST YOUR VOTE IN MY FORUM TO BE INCLUDED IN THE TALLY Vote tally:
<32.Rxa8>
Skakalec, Artar1, bumble46, imag, Tabanus, Nickster, blue wave, jepsflast, Sparky123, adhitthana, morfishine, DanLanglois <32.Nc4>
whooops, Bobwhoosta, M.Hassan, bigchris, castle dweller, sombreronegro, MTuraga, zsoydd, sjelmi, karpkasp, johnr5, SugarDom <32.Qa2>
rapidcitychess, WinKing, dotsamoht, MyCatPlaysChess, mckmck, auh2o, Ron, ossipossi, carelessfills, lonepsycho <32.Rda1>
MindCtrol9, ajile, kb2ct
<32.Undecided>
Check It Out, hms123, YouRang, Nightranger, LIFE Master AJ |
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| Nov-23-10 | | Kwesi: I hope we don't have another tied vote. |
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| Nov-23-10 | | Kwesi: Also, I voted <32.Rxa8> (Switched from Nc4) |
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