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Hikaru Nakamura vs Wang Hao
Chess Olympiad (2010), Khanty-Mansiysk RUS, rd 8, Sep-29
Hungarian Opening: General (A00)  ·  0-1
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Sep-29-10  jrlepage: Awful game by the American champion. That kind of opening, relying exclusively on tactics, may work pretty well on ICC in 1 min bullet chess, but against that strong an opposition with classical playing time? Good grief...
Sep-29-10  AuN1: further example of nakamura's inflated opinion of himself. if his talent was half of his ego, he would be world champion forever.
Sep-29-10  hedgeh0g: At least he tried something different. True chess players play a variety of openings rather than Slav #5049585. Perhaps it was a dubious choice of opening, but at least it's something different and provides Nakamura with a better idea of what he should and shouldn't play.
Sep-29-10  James Bowman: Not Nakamura's best play but I don't see the position at move ten in as loosing, it looks like he was too lax about giving up pawns and yes you will get punished for that at this level. I think maybe an emotional component to some comments. I do agree with Marmot PFL its hard to see a solid plan.
Sep-29-10  jrlepage: <hedgeh0g: At least he tried something different. True chess players play a variety of openings rather than Slav #5049585. Perhaps it was a dubious choice of opening, but at least it's something different and provides Nakamura with a better idea of what he should and shouldn't play.>

Easy and fallacious rhethorics IMHO. If Slav #5049585 works for you, stick to it, no matter what patzers may think of your ''inventiveness'' or ''courage''. The name of the game is winning, not showing off. According to your statement I guess you think Fischer was not a ''true chess player'' since he so often played the Sozin (which really ought to be called the Fischer - read Mednis). ''I believe in good moves, not psychology''.

Sep-29-10  dumbgai: It's funny, white's opening looks horrible, but it's basically a King's Indian Defense with an extra tempo.
Sep-29-10  dumbgai: <jrlepage> I would also add that if you're going to experiment with something silly, the Olympiad is probably not the best event to do it.
Sep-29-10
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  Eric Schiller: What is silly about a normal English Opening? The position after White's 7th is not even new. The inclusion of a-pawn moves so early is somewhat rare, but there is no justification for calling it silly!
Sep-29-10  jrlepage: <dumbgai> Fully agreed. Might be interesting to know what Kamsky, Shulman or Onischuk (really) think of the appropriateness of Nakamura's ''experiments'' during these Olympiads. His ''I-can-play-anything-and-they'll-just-fall-apart'' attitude is probably an irritant to some.

Nakamura is an extremely gifted player and his games constantly draw the attention of the whole chess community. He's now ranking 15 in the live rating list despite lack of strong opposition for the major part of his formative years, which is proof of his great natural abilities. However, even if ''le borgne est roi au pays des aveugles'' as we say in French (the one-eyed rules in the kingdom of blind people), that kind of performance (and some others, admittedly) makes us wonder if he will ever make it to the top and some day wrestle with the big boys.

Sep-29-10  jrlepage: <Eric Schiller: What is silly about a normal English Opening? The position after White's 7th is not even new.!>

According to this database, it is.

Sep-29-10  jrlepage: Games Like Nakamura vs Wang Hao, 2010
Sep-29-10
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  chancho: Naka's weakness? His arrogance.
He's good, but he can't expect to roll over every world class player like they are duffers. A little more patience would do wonders for his game.
Sep-29-10  Kinghunt: Analysis of the position after move 10:


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White to move.

Houdini_x64_1CPU at d=24 with analysis of 654.031.294 nodes: -0.39 Nd2e4 Nf6xe4 Bg2xe4 Bc8h3 Ne1g2 Qd8d7 Bc1d2 Bh3f5 Be4d5 Bf5g4 Bd5e4 h7h6 Be4d5 Bg4e6 Bd5xe6 Qd7xe6 e2e4 Qe6h3 Qd1f3 Ra8a6 Ng2e1 Ra6b6 Ne1c2

Black is simply significantly better. Outright winning, no. But why give such concessions for nothing? White's position is painful simply to look at.

Sep-30-10  tibone: computer evaluations like this are the reason why they implement opening books in programs.
Sep-30-10  hedgeh0g: <Easy and fallacious rhethorics IMHO. If Slav #5049585 works for you, stick to it, no matter what patzers may think of your ''inventiveness'' or ''courage''. The name of the game is winning, not showing off. According to your statement I guess you think Fischer was not a ''true chess player'' since he so often played the Sozin (which really ought to be called the Fischer - read Mednis). ''I believe in good moves, not psychology''.>

Fischer was proficient in a variety of openings. He had his favourites, sure, but so does everyone else. I think showing willingness to experiment and try new things shows creativity and development as a chess player. Just my personal opinion.

Sep-30-10  Kinghunt: < tibone: computer evaluations like this are the reason why they implement opening books in programs.>

Computer programs aren't at their best in the openings, true. But if you're white and by move 10 you're out of book, have very little space, are poorly developed, AND the computer says you're worse... I think it's fairly safe to say you played a bad opening.

Sep-30-10  tibone: In D Kosic vs B Vuckovic, 2005 Vuckovic took with the rook (13...Rxb6)
Sep-30-10  tibone: Maybe 14.f4 was too sharp. In Sully - Pym, 2004 e6 was played (1. d4 Nf6 2. Nc3 c5 3. d5 d6 4. e4 g6 5. Nf3 Bg7 6. Bb5+ Nbd7 7. a4 O-O 8. O-O a6 9. Be2 Rb8 10. Re1 Ne8 11. Bf1 Nc7 12. a5 b6 13. axb6 Nxb6 14. h3 e6 15. dxe6 fxe6 16. Bg5 Qd7 17. Qd2 Nb5 18. Nd1 Nd4 19. Nxd4 cxd4 and so on)

I donīt like 15. f5 because it loses control of e5.

Sep-30-10  tibone: Rybka wants to untangle the knights with 20.Rf4
Sep-30-10  jrlepage: <hedgeh0g: Fischer was proficient in a variety of openings. He had his favourites, sure, but so does everyone else. I think showing willingness to experiment and try new things shows creativity and development as a chess player. Just my personal opinion.>

The fact that Fischer could play anything is common knowledge. My point is that he restricted his ''experiments'' to certain circumstances, exhibition games for instance. And yes he played 1.b3 against Tukmakov etc. but that's besides the point. Creativity doesn't reside in the sole choice of opening IMHO. I simply wanted to say that trying ''new things'' on your own isn't the same thing as trying them within a team effort. I do like Nakamura's originality as I admire Larsen's play or Tal's for that matter. I respect your opinion and hope you understand mine. Cheers.

Sep-30-10  NrthrnKnght: Good old fashion dose of chinese water torture.Its like he doesnt respect these GMs and they are kicking his a$$ for it.nice job naka way to toss our chances down the drain for your ego.
Oct-01-10  Atking: <tibone> I agree. I have no problem with Nakamura's opening choice but with 14/15 f4-f5 which looks too much adventurous. Why not 14.Nb4 NxN 15.axN Bxb4 16.Nxd4 or 14.Bd2 (as 14...Bxa3? 15.Ra1)?

I remember Alekhine's comment about the value of far pawns. Center pawns are stronger in the middle phase but also in the ending. Reti showed that vs Rubinstein. Maybe Nakamura should have play simply according that.

Oct-01-10  HSOL: jrlepage:
Chessgames.com database of games is quite small compared to some other databases, that said being out of Chessgames.com games history at the 7th move means it's quite rare.

I would also guess it transposes back into known territory (after the inclusion of 7.c4 d4) and even more after black's 8th move. As Eric Schiller said, I also think the "rareness" of the position is due to the early inclusion of a3 a5.

Eric Schiller:
After black's 7th move, I would rather call it a Reti (looking like a position which could come after 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 d4) than English. I know it's just semantics but please tell me if I'm wrong about the labeling.

Oct-01-10  devlin: I think that Naka was expecting to meet
Wang yue, not Wang Hao who likes sharp theorical lines. Having no time to prepare something ,he plays g3 just to avoid Hao's prep.
Jan-29-11  crazybird: Well, in Round 13 Naka has Black against the same Wang Hao. Hao will he fare?
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