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Sanan Sjugirov vs Magnus Carlsen
Chess Olympiad (2010), Khanty-Mansiysk RUS, rd 10, Oct-01
Caro-Kann Defense: Advance. Short Variation (B12)  ·  1-0


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Oct-07-10  morphy2010: BridgeBurner needs a tune up.
Oct-08-10  Bridgeburner: It seems this discussion with Zygalski will continue on my forum, if anyone's interested.
Oct-08-10  Mata Hari: Great game by Sanan.
Oct-08-10  kingfu: Appaz has the best sense of humor! Even in these crying times! Trying times? Frying times?

Is there a ratings inflation? I would like to think that there are many more good players now than in 1970. Chess seems to be more global now.

How do we get to the facts?

I enjoy the Chess of Magnus Carlsen. He will be Champion some day. I do not think he is in love. He is just probably shaving now. He probably has his driver's license as well.

Oct-08-10  visayanbraindoctor: Before the Olympiad, I had a strong hunch that if GM Carlsen while playing Black would meet a rising GM younger than him, he would lose. Recall how Caruana pressed him in a long and tortuous game last time they met. All the younger GMs must badly want to scalp him. Beating him would do wonders for their reputation and enhance possible invitations to super GM tournaments.

If Carlsen has any obvious weakness, it is slightly inferior positions that happen to be highly tactical, and perhaps long rook endgames.

Carlsen plays maneuvering positional games with a skill not seen since the heyday of Karpov. Given even a small advantage, he is able to tenaciously preserve it and increase it, usually by converting it adroitly to other pluses in his position, until it transforms into an overwhelming attack or material advantage.

On the other hand, in complicated difficult double-edged tactical situations, Carlsen seems to be as good or as bad as the next super GM, erring as often or as rarely as his peers. This probably implies that the best way to play Carlsen is to press him fearlessly in highly tactical situations. Unfortunately for him in this game, a youngster like Sjugirov given the opportunity to play White would most probably play just such a game in an all out effort to collect a Carlsen scalp.

Oct-08-10  anandrulez: I agree with that . Yes Carlsen is now facing folks who are coming up - with no fear and raring to go . Sjugirov , the Khanty Mansiysk hero played absolutely brilliant and subtlelties were good enough to impress any GM .
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  SugarDom: Stop the mad talk...

It was just a fluke, nothing less...

Oct-09-10  visayanbraindoctor: For rising strong chess players younger than GM Carlsen, there is also the question- has Carlsen reached his peak and plateaued off? To put it in another way, has Carlsen maxed out? Is he playing as well as his intrinsic chess talent is allowing him to?

This is an important question for young GMs who are just recently being exposed to international tournaments- including Sjugirov himself, and others like Giri, Caruana, So, Ding, Yu, and so on. Probably this is important even for older GMs like Nakamura and Nepomniachtchi who are way behind Carlsen in terms of international exposure.

In terms of international exposure, Carlsen probably has a headstart of at least 3 years ahead of them. To explain it in another way, the Carlsen of today has probably played as many or even more international chess games than the Capablanca of 1919, the Alekhine of 1924, the Botvinnik of 1946, the Karpov of 1972, the Kasparov of 1983. IMO it is not so much the absolute age that matters, it's the accumulated experience of a rising chess player. In which case, the rising GMs younger than Carlsen have a chance to catch up on experience and consequently attain their own peaks and plateaus sometime in the future.

Whether or not their peaks and plateaus are close enough for them to give Carlsen serious competition in the future still remains to be seen.

Anand and Kramnik probably will not be able to maintain their form for the next 10 years, and if no one is able to play like a Carlsen, he is the obvious successor to the Anand-Kramnik era.

(Not really predicting, just speculating. Who knows, Anand might decide to do a Lasker or Botvinnik, reserve his strongest play, which I think is stronger than Carlsen's level today, only on the occasional Candidate or World Championship events, and thus give problems to any rising star who comes knocking at World Championship's door. Or who knows, Kramnik who is not yet 40, may find the motivation to charge up to a Title shot again.)

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  SugarDom: Carlsen is far from having reached his peak. He's 19...
Oct-09-10  morphy2010: No hes 20 SugarDom.
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  alexmagnus: 19. Will be 20 on November 30th.
Jan-17-11  ughaibu: "Short Variation", was the whole thing theory?
Feb-02-11  notyetagm: Game Collection: DO *NOT* INTERCEPT YOUR OWN LINES PIECES!

S Sjugirov vs Carlsen, 2010 18 ... Ng8-f6?? cuts off g6-queen from e6-checking square

Feb-02-11  notyetagm: Game Collection: CHECK MUST BE CONSIDERED TACTICAL TARGET

S Sjugirov vs Carlsen, 2010 19 Rf1xNf6! Black d7-knight must shield the c8-king from Qxe6+

May-12-11  notyetagm:
May-12-11  notyetagm: Game Collection: DO *NOT* INTERCEPT YOUR OWN LINES PIECES!
Nov-30-11  serenpidity.ejd: <2800+ Carlsen beaten by a newcomer Gm 2600+>
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  whiteshark: That can happen to anybody.
Nov-30-11  JoergWalter: I get constantly beaten by guys less than 2600. So what?
Jun-27-12  messachess: This was just a slaughter. Sjugirov killed Carlsen. It was no contest, an absolutely humiliating defeat. I loved it.
Jun-28-12  King Death: Carlsen played way below his usual strength, I don't see what the fuss is all about.
Aug-05-12  Pedro Fernandez: Very interesting those conversations (I didn't know that) among Dr. Babbage and Dr. Lasker as far some ideas on pre-computing chess. However, I don't think those ideas have to do with modern computing chess (specially about the chess codes). In the time being, certainly modern and powerful chess programs are really strong, but even so in human chess tournaments our GMs don't necessarily follow those lines advised but those programs, and by no means, other human lines are wrong. Such a dichotomy resides essentially in two facts. 1.- Computers are unable to manage the huge combinations arising from certain position, specially if that position is complex. 2.- Human mind is not electronic but biochemical. 100 billions of nervous synapses per second, working just at 12% of its capacity (by now!) it allows for disposal those illogical variants from our mind which by necessity computers must calculate. Anyway, I agree that modern chess computing is a good partner in chess respecting, of course, our chess rules.
Aug-05-12  AuN1: one of my favorite carlsen games. :-)
Aug-11-12  BinisladNaBugaong: Magnificent, attacking, 25-mover rout by the relatively unknown Sjugirov! A game for the ages!
Aug-13-12  tahdah: Is this what Kasparov talking about. Better than computer move? Sanan is an alien. hehe
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