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Oct-15-10
 | | Ulhumbrus: <<<<<<On 22 0-0 Bxe4 23 Bxe6 fxe6 24 fxe4 Qc4 Black has a strong attack against all three White isolated pawns. White may end up losing one and then another.> 25.Nd4 should keep it under control for White, since Black also has a weakness on e6.> Then 25...e5 and instead of the N attacking the pawn, the pawn attacks the N.> Then 26.Nf5 and instead of Black having the initiative he's in serious trouble, probably losing.> The N on f5 can't do much by itself, without assistance from at least one White piece, and White has to find a way for the Q or R to act in concert with it. Apart from a potential fork on d6, which Black can avoid, there seems little immediate trouble for Black after 26...Qxe4 or even 26...Qc5+ winning one pawn. It is White who remains in some trouble even after losing back a pawn.> No, it's Black who's in trouble. 26...Qxe4 loses immediately to 27.Nd6 Qe3+ 28.Kh1, and the combination of the threats on the a2-g8 diagonal (you see, the knight isn't attacking by itself) plus the attack on the rook are decisive.> I found that threat, and thereupon removed my previous message <And after 26...Qc5+ White exchanges queens and plays Ne7+ & Nd5, with a pawn up and the initiative.> On 26...Qc5+ 27 Qxc5 Rxc5 28 Ne7+ Kh8 29 Nd5 Rc4 keeps up the attack and clears c5 for ..Nc5. This line may warrant looking at further. |
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Oct-15-10
 | | Eyal: The position is so drawish now that Shirov's relative time trouble probably doesn't matter. |
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Oct-15-10
 | | wordfunph: <rabidcitychess>
it's <wordfunph> and not <wordpunph> ok? it's F and not P.. |
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| Oct-15-10 | | rapidcitychess: <Eyal>
Why do I doubt you? Trouble is trouble, ans we will see. |
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| Oct-15-10 | | rapidcitychess: <word<<F>>unph> Happy? Now can I no longer be <rabidcitychess>? |
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| Oct-15-10 | | jrlepage: You're probably right. 10 moves in 6 minuutes for Shirov with that kind of position seems more than enough. |
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Oct-15-10
 | | whiteshark: You made this page quite colourful lately. |
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Oct-15-10
| | Ulhumbrus: One way for Black to lose is 30... Nb4 31 Rc7 g5 32 Ng7 a5 33 e6 and the e pawn runs |
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| Oct-15-10 | | rapidcitychess: <k<l<<whiteshark>l>k> <<Modern> kibitzing.> <<:>)> |
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Oct-15-10
 | | parmetd: switching to Anand-Carlsen? |
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Oct-15-10
 | | chancho: Draw agreed. |
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Oct-15-10
 | | queenfortwopawns: Draw has been agreed upon. <cg.com> can we switch to the other game? |
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Oct-15-10
| | Ulhumbrus: <chessgames> Are you going to switch to the Anand - Carlsen game after this game ends? |
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| Oct-15-10 | | rapidcitychess: Drawn... |
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Oct-15-10
| | Eyal: <<<<<<<On 22 0-0 Bxe4 23 Bxe6 fxe6 24 fxe4 Qc4 Black has a strong attack against all three White isolated pawns. White may end up losing one and then another.> 25.Nd4 should keep it under control for White, since Black also has a weakness on e6.> Then 25...e5 and instead of the N attacking the pawn, the pawn attacks the N.> Then 26.Nf5 and instead of Black having the initiative he's in serious trouble, probably losing.> The N on f5 can't do much by itself, without assistance from at least one White piece, and White has to find a way for the Q or R to act in concert with it. Apart from a potential fork on d6, which Black can avoid, there seems little immediate trouble for Black after 26...Qxe4 or even 26...Qc5+ winning one pawn. It is White who remains in some trouble even after losing back a pawn.> No, it's Black who's in trouble. 26...Qxe4 loses immediately to 27.Nd6 Qe3+ 28.Kh1, and the combination of the threats on the a2-g8 diagonal (you see, the knight isn't attacking by itself) plus the attack on the rook are decisive.> I found that threat, and thereupon removed my previous message <And after 26...Qc5+ White exchanges queens and plays Ne7+ & Nd5, with a pawn up and the initiative.> On 26...Qc5+ 27 Qxc5 Rxc5 28 Ne7+ Kh8 29 Nd5 Rc4 keeps up the attack and clears c5 for ..Nc5. This line may warrant looking at further.> Looking at it further, 30.Rf7 or 30.Rab1 followed by Rb7 is winning for White. He's the one who's attacking, not Black. |
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| Oct-15-10 | | marcwordsmith: I guess Kramnik wins Bilbao. Unless Carlsen loses today, which seems unlikely. |
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Oct-15-10
| | Eyal: <rapidcitychess: <Eyal> Why do I doubt you?> Indeed:-) |
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Oct-15-10
| | whiteshark: will <chessgames.com> do us a favour and switch to the final game...? |
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Oct-15-10
| | wordfunph: <rapidcitychess>
:-) |
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Oct-15-10
| | wordfunph: ey guys, i told you so..
the game is 1/2! |
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| Oct-15-10 | | BobCrisp: Conceptually, if not literally, this entire game was Kramnik preparation. High-class chess. |
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Oct-15-10
| | Ulhumbrus: <<<<<<<<On 22 0-0 Bxe4 23 Bxe6 fxe6 24 fxe4 Qc4 Black has a strong attack against all three White isolated pawns. White may end up losing one and then another.> 25.Nd4 should keep it under control for White, since Black also has a weakness on e6.> Then 25...e5 and instead of the N attacking the pawn, the pawn attacks the N.> Then 26.Nf5 and instead of Black having the initiative he's in serious trouble, probably losing.> The N on f5 can't do much by itself, without assistance from at least one White piece, and White has to find a way for the Q or R to act in concert with it. Apart from a potential fork on d6, which Black can avoid, there seems little immediate trouble for Black after 26...Qxe4 or even 26...Qc5+ winning one pawn. It is White who remains in some trouble even after losing back a pawn.> No, it's Black who's in trouble. 26...Qxe4 loses immediately to 27.Nd6 Qe3+ 28.Kh1, and the combination of the threats on the a2-g8 diagonal (you see, the knight isn't attacking by itself) plus the attack on the rook are decisive.> I found that threat, and thereupon removed my previous message <And after 26...Qc5+ White exchanges queens and plays Ne7+ & Nd5, with a pawn up and the initiative.> On 26...Qc5+ 27 Qxc5 Rxc5 28 Ne7+ Kh8 29 Nd5 Rc4 keeps up the attack and clears c5 for ..Nc5. This line may warrant looking at further.> Looking at it further, 30.Rf7 or 30.Rab1 followed by Rb7 is winning for White. He's the one who's attacking, not Black.> On either move 30...Nc5 attacks the e4 pawn again. In this line Black's move 26...Qc5+ moves the Queen again and 25...e5 allows Nf5. The latter suggests that Black may be able to gain time by 25..Nc5 attacking the point b3 and the e4 pawn before White is able to play Nf5. |
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Oct-15-10
| | Eyal: < <<<<<<<<On 22 0-0 Bxe4 23 Bxe6 fxe6 24 fxe4 Qc4 Black has a strong attack against all three White isolated pawns. White may end up losing one and then another.> 25.Nd4 should keep it under control for White, since Black also has a weakness on e6.> Then 25...e5 and instead of the N attacking the pawn, the pawn attacks the N.> Then 26.Nf5 and instead of Black having the initiative he's in serious trouble, probably losing.> The N on f5 can't do much by itself, without assistance from at least one White piece, and White has to find a way for the Q or R to act in concert with it. Apart from a potential fork on d6, which Black can avoid, there seems little immediate trouble for Black after 26...Qxe4 or even 26...Qc5+ winning one pawn. It is White who remains in some trouble even after losing back a pawn.> No, it's Black who's in trouble. 26...Qxe4 loses immediately to 27.Nd6 Qe3+ 28.Kh1, and the combination of the threats on the a2-g8 diagonal (you see, the knight isn't attacking by itself) plus the attack on the rook are decisive.> I found that threat, and thereupon removed my previous message <And after 26...Qc5+ White exchanges queens and plays Ne7+ & Nd5, with a pawn up and the initiative.> On 26...Qc5+ 27 Qxc5 Rxc5 28 Ne7+ Kh8 29 Nd5 Rc4 keeps up the attack and clears c5 for ..Nc5. This line may warrant looking at further.> Looking at it further, 30.Rf7 or 30.Rab1 followed by Rb7 is winning for White. He's the one who's attacking, not Black.> On either move 30...Nc5 attacks the e4 pawn again.> The attack on e4 is insignificant. 30.Rf7 Nc5 31.Raf8 with a mate threat. 31...h6 allows 32.Rc7 and Black is completely paralyzed. 31...Ne6 32.Re7 is also clearly winning (32...Nc5 33.Rxa7!; 32...Rc6 33.Rxe6! followed by Nc7). |
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| Oct-15-10 | | Mr. Bojangles: For the most part, the way Kramnik has been handling the Nimzo since he lost his title has been truly brilliant. |
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Oct-19-10
| | Ulhumbrus: << <<<<<<<<On 22 0-0 Bxe4 23 Bxe6 fxe6 24 fxe4 Qc4 Black has a strong attack against all three White isolated pawns. White may end up losing one and then another.> 25.Nd4 should keep it under control for White, since Black also has a weakness on e6.> Then 25...e5 and instead of the N attacking the pawn, the pawn attacks the N.> Then 26.Nf5 and instead of Black having the initiative he's in serious trouble, probably losing.> The N on f5 can't do much by itself, without assistance from at least one White piece, and White has to find a way for the Q or R to act in concert with it. Apart from a potential fork on d6, which Black can avoid, there seems little immediate trouble for Black after 26...Qxe4 or even 26...Qc5+ winning one pawn. It is White who remains in some trouble even after losing back a pawn.> No, it's Black who's in trouble. 26...Qxe4 loses immediately to 27.Nd6 Qe3+ 28.Kh1, and the combination of the threats on the a2-g8 diagonal (you see, the knight isn't attacking by itself) plus the attack on the rook are decisive.> I found that threat, and thereupon removed my previous message <And after 26...Qc5+ White exchanges queens and plays Ne7+ & Nd5, with a pawn up and the initiative.> On 26...Qc5+ 27 Qxc5 Rxc5 28 Ne7+ Kh8 29 Nd5 Rc4 keeps up the attack and clears c5 for ..Nc5. This line may warrant looking at further.> Looking at it further, 30.Rf7 or 30.Rab1 followed by Rb7 is winning for White. He's the one who's attacking, not Black.> On either move 30...Nc5 attacks the e4 pawn again.> The attack on e4 is insignificant. 30.Rf7 Nc5 31.Raf8 with a mate threat. 31...h6 allows 32.Rc7 and Black is completely paralyzed. 31...Ne6 32.Re7 is also clearly winning (32...Nc5 33.Rxa7!; 32...Rc6 33.Rxe6! followed by Nc7).> It begins to look as if 25...Nc5 is better than 25...e5, attacking the point b3 and the e4 pawn before White is able to play Nf5. |
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