Members · Prefs · Laboratory · Collections · Openings · Endgames · Sacrifices · History · Search Kibitzing · Kibitzer's Café · Chessforums · Tournament Index · Players · Kibitzing

(If you register a free account you won't see all these ads!)
Magnus Carlsen vs Veselin Topalov
"e4=MC2" (game of the day Oct-01-2012)
Nanjing Pearl Spring Tournament (2010), Nanjing CHN, rd 5, Oct-24
Spanish Game: Closed. Martinez Variation (C78)  ·  1-0


Click Here to play Guess-the-Move
Given 181 times; par: 47 [what's this?]

explore this opening
find similar games 47 more Carlsen/Topalov games
PGN: download | view | print Help: general | java-troubleshooting

TIP: You can get computer analysis by clicking the "ENGINE" button below the game.

PGN Viewer:  What is this?
For help with this chess viewer, please see the Olga Chess Viewer Quickstart Guide.

Kibitzer's Corner
< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 11 OF 11 ·  Later Kibitzing>
Premium Chessgames Member
  iqbalianpawn: <NyP> Well, thanks.. I had seen till here, but was wondering if there is something deeper... Anyways.. thanks.. And amazing thing is that white does not continue with straight away e5, delaying it by a move..
Premium Chessgames Member
  Eyal: Re the somewhat "mysterious" 28...Qa5 & 29.Kh2: after 28.b3 Black is already lost; retreating with the knight to b6, for example, allows White to win immediately with 29.e5 dxe5 30.Rxf6! Qxf6 (or 30...gxf6) 31.Qh7+ Kf8 32.Ba3+ (made possible by the black knight leaving c4) and mate. 28...Qa5 was not a bad practical idea - considering the options, Black is not so badly off after 29.bxc4 Bxc4 followed by Bxf1, and it also aims at playing Qe1+ in some lines where White's attack involves Rxf6 – for example, 29.e5 dxe5 30.Rxf6 gxf6 31.Bxh6 f5 32.Nxf5 isn't simply winning because of 32...Qe1+ 33.Kh2 e4!; same goes for 31.Nh5. That's why 29.Kh2! is a good prophylactic move, which leaves Black helpless.

[For other examples of such prophylaxis in the middle of an attack, see move 31 in both of Kasparov's most famous Ruy Lopez games - Kasparov vs Karpov, 1986 & Kasparov vs Karpov, 1990 ]

Premium Chessgames Member
  whiteshark: <e4=MC2> G♖8 ♙u♘!
Premium Chessgames Member
  Castleinthesky: As Yogi Berra said: "I came to a fork in the road and I took it."
Oct-01-12  rapidcitychess: So if Magnus Carlsen was a square, he would be energy multiplied by 4?
Premium Chessgames Member
  kevin86: After all the exchanges,white will be up a rook and two bishops for a easy win.
Oct-01-12  goodevans: <kevin86: After all the exchanges,white will be up a rook and two bishops for a easy win.>

In D Charochkina vs B Kovanova, 2011 white is up a rook and two bishops for almost the entire game, finally bringing home the point on move 115.

Nice finish. Worth a look IMO.

Premium Chessgames Member
  iqbalianpawn: <Eyal> Thanks man....
Premium Chessgames Member
  Once: I think there is a little more to it than the material imbalance of queen versus rook + 2 bishops. Here's the position at the end of the mass exchanges (32... Nxd3 33. exf7+ Kf8 34. Bxh6+ Ke7 35. fxe8=Q+ Kxe8 36. Bxd3)

click for larger view

A queen can sometimes hold off several minor pieces because her mobility allows her to fork, skewer and pin. But in this position there are a couple of other factors to take into account. The white king is safe from checks on h2. The black knight is offside on h7 (and has no easy way into the game). White threatens Bxg6+. The black king has no pawn cover.

If it wasn't for those additional features, black might play on with a move like 36...Qc3 threatening both the b3 pawn and the Bd3.

Premium Chessgames Member
  Eyal: <Once: I think there is a little more to it than the material imbalance of queen versus rook + 2 bishops. Here's the position at the end of the mass exchanges (32... Nxd3 33. exf7+ Kf8 34. Bxh6+ Ke7 35. fxe8=Q+ Kxe8 36. Bxd3)

click for larger view

[...] The black knight is offside on h7 (and has no easy way into the game).>

True - and in fact, the knight isn't just offside, it's simply lost; there's no way to save it after Bxg6 and/or Rf7, if necessary. So it actually becomes very quickly a rook and three minor pieces vs. a lone queen.

Jan-04-13  pablo333: The pawn to b5 thrust by black (on move number six) is, I believe, a serious strategic error. After white has played 6 d3, it is safe for black to respond with 6... d6, because after the usual follow-up (7 Bxc6 bxc6 8 d4) white's initiative is nullified by the fact that he has already played his pawn to d3 - thus losing a tempo. After 6... b5 black's position becomes vulnerable and under developed.
Nov-22-13  dastak2: i got 64 in GTM
Guess-the-Move: Carlsen vs Topalov, 2010
Nov-22-13  chesswarmup: Got 46 only :(
Nov-23-13  SamAtoms1980: 43....

Had I a vague idea about what was going on, I might have matched par.

Premium Chessgames Member
  Nightstalker1967: My middle game is weak and I know it so I wasn't surprised that while I was awarded 3 points a few time, 2 some and 1 some, I also had some minus 3s. This is my first effort. Does the minus 3 mean that you WILL lose from the position created or that you will lose a major piece or what. I may have gotten myself into a poor position but I didn't think any of the moves were outright terrible. Also sometimes I played the reverse order (or would have) and my first move in the situation was the second move in the actual game. Maybe I'll improve.... dastak, my sincere complements.
Premium Chessgames Member
  tamar: <Nightstalker1967> The minus 3 is a big error, but varies according to the position.

Here is the explanation on the Guess-the-Move Help Page


Each chess game in the Guess-the-Move list has been analyzed by a powerful chess engine called Toga. This helps us assign partial or full credit for guesses that are good moves. The data of the Opening Explorer is also consulted to help with scoring some of the opening moves.

Here's how the scoring system works:

3 points for guessing the move that the grandmaster played. Even if this move is not objectively the best move, you will get full credit for guessing it.

3 points for for picking a move that Toga determined is just as good, or better, than the move played.

3 points for picking an opening move with a long and successful history according to the Opening Explorer.

2 points for guessing a move that is almost as good as the text move.

2 points for guessing a move that is has a reasonably popularity and a successful history in the Opening Explorer.

1 point for a move that might not be as good as the text, but still playable.

0 points for a wrong guess that Toga does not consider to be among the top moves.

-1, -2, or -3 points - Penalties are assigned when you miss a critical move. The degree of the penalty is determined by Toga.>

Premium Chessgames Member
  offramp: You are not a real world champion unless you've annihilated Topalov properly.
Jul-12-14  sobinkerala: Y blacks 28 move...a5..?
Premium Chessgames Member
  Whitehat1963: What's the finish?
Premium Chessgames Member
  whiteshark: <Whitehat1963> If you follow the line given by <Sastre: <32...♘xd3 33.exf7+ ♔f8 34.♗xh6+ ♔e7 35.fxe8♕+ ♔xe8 36.♗xd3.>> you will come to this position:

click for larger view

This may be self-evident.

If you don't play 32...Nxd3 you are barely a piece down.

Apr-10-15  MarkFinan: What a game from a young Carlsen. Black's queen is useless throughout, but the finish is brilliant. I got the last 6 moves on GTM btw, beat the par. 🙋
Premium Chessgames Member
  Penguincw: Hmm, I see this game has now become a free GTM trial game. By my records, it's the 5th:

P Troeger vs Tal, 1960

Tal vs Lutikov, 1964

Fischer vs Taimanov, 1971

Kasparov vs Ulf Andersson, 1981

Game Collection: Chessgames Games

Jun-15-15  DanielHoseano: Guess-the-Move: Carlsen vs Topalov, 2010 got 69.:)
Jul-07-15  pinoy king: What happened to this Carlsen?
Apr-08-17  clement41: Wow what a combination and more generally what a game! Beautiful.
It's not everyday that the side that resigns is the one with a queen up! Beyond the tactics starting 31 d5! that is not out of reach for any strong player, Magnus read the position deeply and saw that at the end black has no moves!
Jump to page #    (enter # from 1 to 11)
search thread:   
< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 11 OF 11 ·  Later Kibitzing>
NOTE: You need to pick a username and password to post a reply. Getting your account takes less than a minute, totally anonymous, and 100% free--plus, it entitles you to features otherwise unavailable. Pick your username now and join the chessgames community!
If you already have an account, you should login now.
Please observe our posting guidelines:
  1. No obscene, racist, sexist, or profane language.
  2. No spamming, advertising, or duplicating posts.
  3. No personal attacks against other members.
  4. Nothing in violation of United States law.
  5. No posting personal information of members.
Blow the Whistle See something that violates our rules? Blow the whistle and inform an administrator.

NOTE: Keep all discussion on the topic of this page. This forum is for this specific game and nothing else. If you want to discuss chess in general, or this site, you might try the Kibitzer's Café.
Messages posted by Chessgames members do not necessarily represent the views of, its employees, or sponsors.
Spot an error? Please submit a correction slip and help us eliminate database mistakes!
This game is type: CLASSICAL (Disagree? Please submit a correction slip.)

Featured in the Following Game Collections [what is this?]
Spanish Game: Closed. Martinez Variation (C78) · 1-0
from Spaniards Settin' Sail by fredthebear
October 1: e4=MC˛
from Game of the Day 2012 by Phony Benoni
Immortal material from Magnus
from cuppajoe's favorite games by cuppajoe
Game #1: p.13 Restrained Center vs Closed Lopez s/u
from McDonald's Ruy Lopez: Move by Move by Pawn N Hand
31 ... Nc4xe5? 32 d5xBe6! 1-0 rampaging pawn wins for Carlsen
from RABID PAWNS by notyetagm
Spanish Closed. Martinez (C78) 1-0 A pawn on the 6th problem
from Strategic Planning Helped Fredthebear Get Away by fredthebear
Solid Ruy Lopez
from Ghuzultyy's favorite games/books/videos by Ghuzultyy
Statonc's Ruy
by Statonc
Magnus Carlsens Meisterwerke
by tmh13
Game 43
from Move by Move - Carlsen (Lakdawala) by Qindarka
Pearl Spring 2010: Howto make Topa look bad.
from Mozart of chess by zarg
How to Attack
by ghardy1988
Monday 01 - e4=MC2
from Game of the Day - October 2012 by zwsnkm
HiperKing Magnus
by Gottschalk
Contemporary Classics
by Bubo bubo
October 01 - e4=MC2
from Game of the Day 2012 by xynkrn
PhilFeeley's Favourite Games
by PhilFeeley
Ruy Lopez
by Bigc08

home | about | login | logout | F.A.Q. | your profile | preferences | Premium Membership | Kibitzer's Café | Biographer's Bistro | new kibitzing | chessforums | Tournament Index | Player Directory | Notable Games | World Chess Championships | Opening Explorer | Guess the Move | Game Collections | ChessBookie Game | Chessgames Challenge | Store | privacy notice | contact us
Copyright 2001-2018, Chessgames Services LLC