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Levon Aronian vs Sergey Karjakin
Tal Memorial (2010), Moscow RUS, rd 5, Nov-10
Nimzo-Indian Defense: Three Knights Variation (E21)  ·  1/2-1/2


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Nov-10-10  Rawprawn: <Tarek1> That's how I see it. When the WK comes to g6 it's all over.
Nov-10-10  Rawprawn: h5 has to win doesn't it?
Nov-10-10  Kinghunt: <Rawprawn: h5 has to win doesn't it?>

Again, Kf7 and I don't think white can make progress.

Nov-10-10  shakespeare: @ Rawprawn: h5 has to win doesn't it?
definitely not - how to make progress after it - if at all Kh5 and hope that black takes with the rook :-)
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  SCUBA diver: There is nothing after 47. K-h5, K-f7, 48. R-b7, R-h8+ etc
Nov-10-10  Rawprawn: <Again, Kf7 and I don't think white can make progress.> Yes was just seeing that as answer to Kh5.
Nov-10-10  MyCatPlaysChess: I don't think the white king will ever reach g6... there is no triangulation to screw up black's coordination.
Nov-10-10  Ulhumbrus: <tarek1: I think the <49.d8Q+!!> pawn sac is the resource that makes this winning for White.> 47 Kh5 Rh8+ 48 Kg6 Rxh4 49 d7-d8/Q+ KxQ 50 Kxh7 looks promising for White, but on 50...Ke8 51 Kxf6 is this a technical win or a technical draw?
Nov-10-10  Ulhumbrus: Black cannot play 52...Rh8, because on 52...Rh8?? 53 d7-d8/Q+! Kxd8 54 Rb8+ skewers Black's King and Rook
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  whiteshark: ½-½ agreed
Nov-10-10  tarek1: <Ulhumbrus> It's a technical win. So Black had to play Kf7 in case of Kh5.
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  Marmot PFL: Magnus remains #1 another day
Nov-10-10  Ulhumbrus: Instead of 56 Kh7, 56 Rh8 threatens Rh7+ and how is Black going to answer the threat? Perhaps by 56...Rd6 defending the f6 pawn: 57 Rh7+ Kf8 58 Kg6 Ra6 and White seems to get no further.
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  whiteshark: online joint post mortem now:
Nov-10-10  Ulhumbrus: <> Are you going to switch to another game?
Premium Chessgames Member Sure, let's switch to another game. How about Shirov-Nakamura?
Nov-10-10  Ulhumbrus: < Sure, let's switch to another game. How about Shirov-Nakamura?> Good idea. Nakamura played an interesting exchange sacrifice from a Berlin wall.
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  Eyal: Accurate defence by Karjakin at the end. In the position after 39.e5:

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Note the difference (pointed out by Zagrebelny on chesspro) between the lines <39...Rcd8> 40.e6 Rxd7 41.exd7 Rd8 42.Kf3 Kf8 43.Kf4 Ke7 44.Kg5 g6 45.f4 Rxd7 46.Rxd7+ Kxd7 47.f5 1-0, and <39...Rce8!> 40.f4 Rd8 41.e6 Rxd7 42.exd7 Rd8 (so far as in the game) 43.Kf3 Kf8 44.Ke4 Ke7 45.Kf5 Rxd7 46.Rxd7+ Kxd7 47.Kg5 Ke6! and it's a draw, since 48.Kxh5?? would even lose in a study-like manner: 48...Kf5 49.g4+ Kxf4 50.g5 Kf5 51.g6 fxg6#

And later the mate threat on h8 prevents, of course, 53.Kxh6??

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  messachess: Very nice defense by Karjakin! I play the Nimzo, but it never occurred to me to leave the pawn on d7 like that. All around good game by K. Played Aronian even up.
Nov-10-10  Ulhumbrus: If 41 e6 will not win, an alternative attempt to win is 41 Kf3 just developing the White King further eg 41 Kf3 Rxd7 42 Rxd7 Ra8 43 f5 one idea of which is, if Black's Rook leaves the back rank, the manoeuvre Rd7-d8-f8 attacking the f7 pawn
Nov-10-10  The Rocket: <"Very nice defense by Karjakin! I play the Nimzo, but it never occurred to me to leave the pawn on d7 like that. All around good game by K. Played Aronian even up.">

Are we watching the same game? he was totally outplayed and lost(as always) against aronian but this time luckily escaped with a draw

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  messachess: <The Rocket> So, at what point was he lost and why?
Nov-11-10  The Rocket: Because black is all tied up after move 37, it takes aloth of patience and skill to win it.. but still to say black played well in this game baffles me
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  Eyal: Shipov on the game: <Karjakin got into a real mess in the opening [...] White gained an extra pawn almost for nothing. To Karjakin’s credit he didn’t fall apart, gritted his teeth and got down to defending – tenaciously and patiently. Analysing I found a few moments when White could have played a little better. The last of them was in the rook ending. Instead of 41. e6 it was more accurate to play 41. f5!, not allowing Black to construct a solid defence. After 41…Rxd7 42. Rxd7 Ra8 43. Kf3 you get a situation that’s dangerous for Black, where at any moment White can create a passed pawn or break through with his king to g5.> (
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  messachess: <The Rocket> Well, he did play well, in principle and according to your comment: he drew against a top 3 or 5 player world-wide, in a very difficult position.
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