Sergey Karjakin vs Alexander Grischuk (2010)

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Sergey Karjakin vs Alexander Grischuk
Tal Memorial (2010), Moscow RUS, rd 7, Nov-11
Sicilian Defense: Najdorf Variation. English Attack Anti-English (B90) · 1/2-1/2

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Nov-11-10		Ulhumbrus: Perhaps Black's King needs to take a walk in order to have any chance of advancing his Queen side pawns.

Nov-11-10		malthrope: <Ulhumbrus> I left a nice post for you re: the previous game 'Shirov-Aronian' which is at the begining here on page -1- :)

Nov-11-10		Marmot PFL: Griscuhk not a good bet now. Either perpetual (almost certain) or white wins.

Nov-11-10		Ulhumbrus: One justification for 39...Qxg2 is that White needs to create only one passed pawn on the King side in order to create a serious threat whereas Black won't accomplish much by advancing just one of his Queen side pawns.

Nov-11-10		moronovich: Naka-Wang ½-½ officially

Nov-11-10		malthrope: <moronovich> - of course <Eyal> is undoubtedly right... Gris will be happy with a draw here... Sometimes modesty is best, but I applaud 'clap-clap' you taking the risk in a chance! :D

Nov-11-10		Ulhumbrus: <malthrope: <Ulhumbrus> I left a nice post for you re: the previous game 'Shirov-Aronian' which is at the begining here on page -1- :)> Your posts appear to be addressed actually to <Peligroso Patzer> and to <moronovich>

Nov-11-10		moronovich: <mal> thanks-and the same to you ;) often there is a tiny fine line between doing the right thing and insanity .

Nov-11-10		malthrope: <moronovich: Naka-Wang ½-½ officially> Hehehe... Well, with that being said I guess if <CG.com> is up for it of the 2 other games left (not counting this game in progress) I'd vote for 'Gelfand-Kramnik' over 'Shark-Eljanov' if push comes to shove. ;)

Nov-11-10		Ulhumbrus: 41...b5 begins to advance the Queen side pawns, unless he wants to go on administering checks to the White King.

Nov-11-10		malthrope: <moronovich: <mal> thanks-and the same to you ;) often there is a tiny fine line between doing the right thing and insanity .> Nah, it was the right move for you to make especially in your present <ChessBookie> position (fast $cash$ to blow!). I'd have done the very same thing if I had the extra c-bucks to risk! ;)

Nov-11-10		Marmot PFL: Seems like would have repeated a position 3 times by now if anyone is keeping track.

Nov-11-10		chessgames.com: OK we'll cover one more game today, stay tuned.

Nov-11-10		malthrope: <Ulhumbrus: <malthrope: <Ulhumbrus> I left a nice post for you re: the previous game 'Shirov-Aronian' which is at the begining here on page -1- :)> Your posts appear to be addressed actually to <Peligroso Patzer> and to <moronovich>> That post (the 4th post made on page 1) was made only for you. :) <<From the previous game Shirov-Aronian now drawn . <Ulhumbrus: On the matter of the draw, Ivkov said that Bobby Fischer had said that if the Marshall counter-gambit was sound, the Ruy Lopez had seen its days.>> Regards, - Mal

Nov-11-10		Eyal: <Seems like would have repeated a position 3 times by now if anyone is keeping track.> 46...Qe5+ would have done the trick (same position as after moves 34 & 37) - but they were quick to agree to the draw just before that... one of the longer perpetual exercises I've seen.

Nov-11-10		malthrope: <chessgames.com: OK we'll cover one more game today, stay tuned.> The 'Gelfand-Kramnik' game is my vote! ;) In any case thanks <CG.com> :D

Nov-11-10		Ulhumbrus: <malthrope: <Ulhumbrus: <malthrope: <Ulhumbrus> I left a nice post for you re: the previous game 'Shirov-Aronian' which is at the begining here on page -1- :)> Your posts appear to be addressed actually to <Peligroso Patzer> and to <moronovich>> That post (the 4th post made on page 1) was made only for you. :) <<From the previous game Shirov-Aronian now drawn . <Ulhumbrus: On the matter of the draw, Ivkov said that Bobby Fischer had said that if the Marshall counter-gambit was sound, the Ruy Lopez had seen its days.>> Regards, - Mal> I have had a look at page one of the kibitzing pages of the Shirov - Aronian game. The 4th post from the top is from <whiteshark> while the fourth message from the bottom is from <MindCtrol9>. How is your message placed relative to these? Or is there some particular way to see a message addressed only to me?

Nov-11-10		pulsar: [Event "Tal Memorial"] [Site "1:51:33-1:43:33"] [Date "2010.11.11"] [EventDate "2010.11.05"] [Round "7"] [Result "1/2-1/2"] [White "Karjakin"] [Black "Grischuk"] [ECO "B90"] [WhiteElo "?"] [BlackElo "2771"] [PlyCount "2"] 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be3 Ng4 7.Bg5 h6 8.Bh4 g5 9.Bg3 Bg7 10.h3 Ne5 11.Nf5 Bxf5 12.exf5 Nbc6 13.Nd5 e6 14.fxe6 fxe6 15.Ne3 Qa5+ 16.c3 Nf3+ <This came quite as a shock when Topalov first played it against GM Peter Svidler during the 2005 Fide World Championship Tournament (Svidler vs Topalov, 2005). It has to be noted though that in that game, White played 14.Ne3 in place of 14.fxe6, although the players will arrive at the same critical position some moves later.> 17.Qxf3 Bxc3+ 18.Kd1 Qa4+ 19.Nc2 Bxb2 <Critical position. The players have reached the aforementioned game by transposition, and here Svidler played 20.Qb3, afterwhich the game continued 20...Qxb3 21.axb3 Bxa1 22.Nxa1 Ke7 23.Bd3 Rac8 24.Re1 Nd4 25.f3 Rc3 26.Kd2 Rhc8 27.Rb1 R3c5 28.b4 Rd5 29.Bf2 Kd7 30.Be3 Nf5 31.Bf2 Nh4 32.Bxh4 gxh4 33.Nc2 h5 34.Re1 Rg8 35.Kc3 a5 36.Bc4 Rc8 37.Ne3 Rb5 38.Kd3 Rxb4 and Topalov's energetic and persistent play netted him the win a few moves later.> 20.Rc1 click for larger view <This is the improvement found by GM Alexander Motylev and played by Svidler in an equally important occasion: the 2007 Fide World Championship Tournament. The game continued 20.Rc1 Bxc1 21.Qf6 Kd7 22.Kxc1 Qxa2 23.Bd3 Rac8 24.Rd1 d5 25.Bf5 Rhe8 26.Qf7+ Kd8 27.Re1 Qa3+ 28.Nxa3 Ne5+ 29.Kd2 Nxf7 30.Bxe6 Rc6 31.Bxf7 Rxe1 32.Kxe1 b5 33.Kd2 b4 34.Nc2 b3 35.Nd4 Rb6 36.Kc1 a5 37.Bxd5 a4 38.Be5 b2+ 39.Kb1 a3 40.Ba2 Rb7 41.Bd6 Rd7 42.Nb5 and white won the game. Guess who Svidler's victim is? GM Alexander Grischuk!> 20...Rc8 <Grischuk's improvement in turn. Black delays the capture on c1 and puts pressure on the c-file. Former World Junior champion GM Ahmed Adly played 20...Qxa2 against GM Markus Ragger and was punished with 21. Qe4 (threatening Bc4) Na5 22. Nb4 Qb3+ 23. Rc2 Rc8 24. Bd3 Kd7 25. Re1 Bc3 26. Re3 Rhe8 27. Nd5 click for larger view M Ragger vs A Adly, 2008; 21.Bd3 Rf8 22.Qg4 Nd4 <Looks forced as Black can't afford to play 22...Qxg4> 23.Re1 Qxa2 <Just in time to defend e6. But White will force a series of exchanges with his next move.> 24.Re4 Bxc1 25.Rxd4 Bf4 26.Bxf4 Rxf4 27.Rxf4 gxf4 28.Qg8+ Kd7 29.Qf7+ Kd8 30.Qf8+ Kd7 31.Qxf4 Qd5 32.Qf7+ Kd8 33.Ke2 click for larger view 33...Rxc2+ <Black bails out into a draw by perpetual check.> 34.Bxc2 Qe5+ 35.Kd2 Qa5+ 36.Kd1 Qa1+ 37.Ke2 Qe5+ 38.Kd3 Qd5+ 39.Kc3 Qc5+ 40.Kb2 Qe5+ 41.Kc1 Qe1+ 42.Kb2 Qe5+ 43.Kb3 Qb5+ 44.Kc3 Qc5+ 45.Kd2 Qa5+ 46.Ke2 1/2-1/2 A very interesting game from theoretical viewpoint. I expect some more discussions in the future from among the top adherents of this highly tactical and entertaining line.

Nov-12-10		messachess: Pretty interesting game. Great effort it seems by Grischuk to try for a win, then secure the draw.

Nov-12-10		Eyal: <The players made almost no moves of their own in this game. Or none at all – they were competing in home analysis, and at the board they exchanged information. They tested each other out. Indicative of that is the very fact that the novelty only appeared on the 30th move [up to 29...Kd8 they were repeating Vachier Lagrave vs. Edouard 2009, missing from this database, where White played 30.Qxb7], after a series of extremely sharp moves that were by no means obvious to the average spectator. Then three moves later Black forced a perpetual check with an exchange sacrifice. The game turned out absolutely ideal from a computer’s point of view – and absolutely uninteresting for those who realised what was going on.> (Shipov) http://www.chessintranslation.com/2...

Nov-12-10		Tigranny: How many straight queen checks to end the game was this?

Nov-12-10		pulsar: <Eyal>Thanks for citing Shipov and providing the link. :)

Nov-17-10		Nf3em: <[up to 29...Kd8 they were repeating Vachier Lagrave vs. Edouard 2009, missing from this database, where White played 30.Qxb7]> for those interested, here is that game mentioned: [Event "It"] [Site "Livry Gargan (France)"] [Date "2009.5.10"] [Round "6"] [White "Vachier-Lagrave Maxime (FRA)"] [Black "Edouard Romain (FRA)"] [Result "1-0"] [Eco "B80"] 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be3 Ng4 7.Bg5 h6 8.Bh4 g5 9.Bg3 Bg7 10.h3 Ne5 11.Nf5 Bxf5 12.exf5 Nbc6 13.Nd5 e6 14.fxe6 fxe6 15.Ne3 Qa5+ 16.c3 Nf3+ 17.Qxf3 Bxc3+ 18.Kd1 Qa4+ 19.Nc2 Bxb2 20.Rc1 Rc8 21.Bd3 Rf8 22.Qg4 Nd4 23.Re1 Qxa2 24.Re4 Bxc1 25.Rxd4 Bf4 26.Bxf4 Rxf4 27.Rxf4 gxf4 28.Qg8+ Kd7 29.Qf7+ Kd8 30.Qxb7 Rc5 31.Nb4 Qa1+ 32.Ke2 Qe5+ 33.Kf3 Qd4 34.Qxa6 Rc3 35.Qb5 e5 36.Qb8+ Ke7 37.Qb7+ Kf6 38.Ke2 e4 39.Bxe4 1-0 ;-)

Sep-22-11		Richard Taylor: I tried this variation as Black in a slow or "correspondence" game online and lost but I had asked my opponent play the line as I saw the Svidler-Topalov game live. It is unclear but I see now that 19. Kc1 !!? as played by my opponent (he was probably using a program but that doesn't matter to me) is what my computer recommends but it is a fairly rusty program Here is the game [Site "Internet"] [Date "2006.03.05"] [White "erling"] [Black "ChessBook"] [Result "1-0"] [EventDate "2006.??.??"] 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Be3 Ng4 7. Bg5 h6 8. Bh4 g5 9. Bg3 Bg7 10. h3 Ne5 11. Nf5 (11. Qd2 (this seems better overall! Nec6 (11... Nbc6 12. O-O-O Nxd4 13. Qxd4 Be6 14. Nd5 Rc8 15. c3 O-O 16. Qe3 Bxd5 17. Rxd5 Qc7 18. h4 Nc4 19. Bxc4 Qxc4 20. hxg5 Qxa2 21. Qd3 = ? ) 11... Bxf5 12. exf5 Nbc6 13. Nd5 e6 14. fxe6 fxe6 15. Ne3 Qa5+ 16. c3 Nf3+ 17. Qxf3 Bxc3+ 18. Kd1 Qa4+ 19. Kc1 Bxb2+ (19... Be5 20. Nc4 Rc8 21. Kb1 Bxg3 22. fxg3 Nd4 23. Qd3 $18) 20. Kxb2 Qb4+ (20... Qd4+ 21. Kb1 Qb4+ 22. Kc1 Nd4 (22... Rc8 23. Bc4 Nd4 (23... Qc3+ 24. Kb1 Na5 25. Rc1 Qb4+ 26. Bb3 Rxc1+ 27. Kxc1 Nxb3+ 28. axb3 Qc3+ 29. Nc2 Qxf3 30. gxf3 e5 31. Kd2 $18) 24. Qf6 Rxc4+ 25. Kd1 Rf8 26. Qg6+ Ke7 27. Rb1 Qa4+ 28. Ke1 Qxa2 29. Kf1 b5 30. Re1 Rb4 31. h4 e5 32. hxg5 Qf7 33. Qe4 23. Qh5+ Ke7 24. Bc4 Qc3+ 25. Kb1 Qb4+ 26. Bb3 Nxb3 27. Bxd6+ Qxd6 28. axb3) 21. Kc1 Rc8 (21... Nd4 22. Qh5+ Ke7 23. Bc4 Qc3+ 24. Kb1 Qb4+ 25. Bb3 Nxb3 26. Bxd6+ Qxd6 27. axb3 Qd3+ 28. Nc2 Qxb3+ 29. Kc1 Rac8 30. Qg6 Rhd8 31. Qh7+ Ke8 32. Rd1 Rxd1+ 33. Kxd1 Qd5+ 34. Kc1 Qxg2 35. Ra3 Qf1+ 36. Kb2 Rc5 37. Qg8+ Ke7 38. Qg7+ Ke8 39. Qg6+ Ke7 40. Rb3) 22. Bc4 Nd4 (22... Qc3+ 23. Kb1 Na5 24. Rc1 Qb4+ 25. Bb3 Rxc1+ 26. Kxc1 Nxb3+ 27. axb3 Qc3+ 28. Nc2 Qxf3 29. gxf3 e5 30. Kd2) 23. Qf6 Rxc4+ 24. Kd1 Rf8 25. Qg6+ Kd8 (25... Ke7 26. Rb1 Qa4+ 27. Ke1 Qxa2 28. Kf1 Rc7 29. Kg1 Ne2+ 30. Kh2 Nxg3 31. fxg3 Rf6 32. Qg7+ Rf7 33. Qxh6 26. Qxh6 Qc3 (26... Rf5 27. Qh8+ Kd7 28. Qg7+ Kc6 ) 27. Qxf8+ Kd7 28. Qf7+ Kd8 (28... Kc6 29. Qe8+ Kb6 30. Nxc4+ ) 29.Qg8+ Kd7 30. Qh7+ Kd8 31. Rb1 Rc7 32. Qg8+ Kd7 33. Qf7+ Kd8 34. Qf8+ 1-0

Sep-22-11		Richard Taylor: PGN here [Event "Open invite"] [Site "http://www.redhotpawn.com"] [Date "2006.03.05"] [White "erling"] [Black "ChessBook"] [Result "1-0"] [WhiteElo "1898"] [BlackElo "1778"] [EndDate "2006.04.18"] 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Be3 Ng4 7. Bg5 h6 8. Bh4 g5 9. Bg3 Bg7 10. h3 Ne5 11. Nf5 Bxf5 12. exf5 Nbc6 13. Nd5 e6 14. fxe6 fxe6 15. Ne3 Qa5+ 16. c3 Nf3+ 17. Qxf3 Bxc3+ 18. Kd1 Qa4+ 19. Kc1 Bxb2+ 20. Kxb2 Qb4+ 21. Kc1 Rc8 22. Bc4 Nd4 23. Qf6 Rxc4+ 24. Kd1 Rf8 25. Qg6+ Kd8 26. Qxh6 Qc3 27. Qxf8+ Kd7 28. Qf7+ Kd8 29. Qg8+ Kd7 30. Qh7+ Kd8 31. Rb1 Rc7 32. Qg8+ Kd7 33. Qf7+ Kd8 34. Qf8+ 1-0

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