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| Jan-02-11 | | rilkefan: Looking forward to learning why 25.Rf6 loses. |
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| Jan-02-11 | | rilkefan: Hmm, maybe just 25...Bg6 and white's back rank weakness comes into play? |
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| Jan-02-11 | | Elton: I would have played Nf3 with the idea of blocking the a8-h1 diagonal, then Rh3. Can someone help me to refute this? |
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| Jan-02-11 | | rilkefan: <I would have played Nf3> ...Bg6 looks good to me here too. |
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| Jan-02-11 | | dcarlisle: I couldn't find any defense to 25 Qh6
25...g6 (else mate)26 rf4 g5 27 rxg5+, bxg5 28 Qxg5+ Bg6 29 Qh6 again and this time black is out of options |
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| Jan-02-11 | | rilkefan: <25 Qh6>
25...Bg6 knits up the raveled kside once again, I think. |
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| Jan-02-11 | | Elton: Thanks rilkefan. If 25. Qh6, ...Bg6 works too. |
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Jan-02-11
 | | Phony Benoni: Couldn't see anything promising. Of course, it would have helped if I had actually counted pieces and discovered that White should be looking for a draw. Wasn't looking at 25.Rf5 anyway, but the idea is clear. Black's light squared bishop is playing a big defensive role, as previous kibitzers have noted, and it makes sense to eliminate or neutralize it (25...exf5). I was thinking of 25.Nd6, with that same idea, but it wasn't working. Looks like Black has to take the rook, as else 26.Rxg7+ is a killer. And the knight has to come off too, or 28.Nxf5 will be very strong. I got the feeling this was one of those positions where everything was hanging by a thread, and it was just a matter of cutting it off in the right place. That turned out to be f5. Very interested to see what comes up as the day goes on. |
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Jan-02-11
 | | al wazir: I spent five minutes on this before deciding "I'm never going to get this one." Then I spent another 20 minutes on it, which only confirmed my judgment. But Gufeld must have felt pretty silly too, after his sacrificial attack failed and he had to scramble for a draw against a player 200 points weaker. |
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Jan-02-11
 | | dzechiel: White to move (25?). White is down a piece. "Insane." Down a piece, I don't think white is striving for material equality. No, the enemy king can be the only target for white's play. One might be tempted to play 24 Rh3 and wait for black's resignation, but, of course, black would instead play 24...Bxg2+ 25 Kg1 Bxh3 leaving white down a rook and with no way to muster an attack. It does seem that white's move will have to be forcing and decisive. For this reason, I like 25 Rxg7+
Black has no choice but to play
25...Kxg7
OK, I have been looking and looking at this position, and while the rook sacrifice is forcing, it's also not very good. The problem is that black can retreat his light squared bishop to g6 and cut off all white initiative. Plus, that darned dark squared bishop of black's is too well placed. Gosh, I have a lot of candidate moves, but I'm not getting anything from them. At least I should show what I'm thinking about. There are... - 25 Rxg7+ (my original thought, still not completely gone)
- 25 Nd6
- 25 Qg4
- 25 Qh6
- 25 Bxc5
- 25 Nf3
- 25 Nf5
- 25 Rf5
- 25 Rf4
- 25 R1f3
Boy, it all comes down to being able to deal with 25...Bg6. That's the move that keeps gumming up my plans. Finally! I'm making some progress! Let's go back to our original idea... 25 Rxg7+ Kxg7 26 Bd2 Bg6
Black would like to play something like 26...Rh8, but in this case that would allow 27 Qxf7#. No, I think black needs to hunker down. Unfortunately for black, all of his pieces are on the wrong side of the board to really aid in the king's defence. Black could try 26...Bxg2+ 27 Kg1 Bxf1, threatening 28...Qg2#. And this does look good for black. Is this another blind alley for white? Nuts. I give up. I just can't seem to make this work. Time to check and see what I have been overlooking. =====
So, white was content with a draw. This did cross my mind, but it really seemed like white's position had more potential. <sigh>, this year is getting off to a bad start for me. P.S. Please note that the key move DID stop 25...Bg6 (as noted above). |
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Jan-02-11
 | | Jimfromprovidence: Couldn't figure anything out, so I had to peek. Once I looked at the progression, it still took me a good while to see how white was able to pull a draw out of the position. I saw that after 26 Nxf5 white threatens both 27 Nxe7# and Rxg7#, so this forces 26...exf5. The really difficult part was finding 27 Nd6!?, below.  click for larger viewBut when you look at it, what white is doing is re-establishing the same threat he had with 26 Nxf5 (except the knight threat comes from d6, not d4). So black has to take with the bishop, with 27...Bxd6.  click for larger viewNow with both black bishops out of the way, white can finally play 28 Rxg7+, and, after 28...Kxg7, black does not have any way to prevent the queen from checking perpetually, beginning with 29 Qg5+. |
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| Jan-02-11 | | muralman: I was trying for a win. Draws don't inspire me. I went for a frontal attack with my rook. But, like dzechiel found out... that would fizzle. Bah humbug! |
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Jan-02-11
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: Rather difficult end to a rather difficult week (3/7). Could not even determine if this was White to win or draw. |
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Jan-02-11
 | | Phony Benoni: I think you might get a consolation point if, in the initial position, click for larger viewYou can figure out why White played 25.Rf5 instead of 25.Nf5. |
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| Jan-02-11 | | Edoneill: A very nice position. Just shows that sometimes just going for a draw is the objective. I struggled to get some play from 25. Nf3 but 25...Bg6 seemed too good a move. I wasn't sure but maybe after 25. Nf3 Bg6 26. Qg4 something might be possible but I wasn't sure. If anyone can think of anything to help me out that would be great. |
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| Jan-02-11 | | Stormbringer: Help please, why doesn't white play 27 Qh6, isn't that winning? If pawn gets pushed, then Rh3 ... ??? |
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| Jan-02-11 | | Stormbringer: Oh, maybe the knight stuffs it up. Thanks and Happy New Year! |
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Jan-02-11
 | | DarthStapler: I didn't get it, I was looking for a win |
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Jan-02-11
 | | David2009: Gufeld vs L Espig, 1980 White 25? Level material, White has a promising attack, and Black's passed a Pawn can't advance for the moment. How best to finish Black off? I looked long and hard at 25 Rf6 (threatening mate with Rxg7+ etc) but 25...Bg6 defends everything: if 26 Rxg6 fxg6 and Black threatens Rf1#).
26. Nxe6 fails to Nxe6. Preparing the combination by removing the defender of e6 with 25 Bxc5 first doesn't work: 25...Rxc5 26 Rf6? Bxf6! and the Pe5 is pinned; or 26 Nc7 Rxc7 (simplest) 27 Nxe6 fxe6 again threatening Rf1#. Perhaps White has nothing better than the modest 25 Nf3 keeping material level and threatening Rh3. This is what I would play OTB. Time to
check:
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<Phony Benoni: Couldn't see anything promising. Of course, it would have helped if I had actually counted pieces and discovered that White
should be looking for a draw.>  click for larger view <PB> says it all! I thought material was level. An inglorious end to quite a good week. Happy New Year to everyone.
Crafty End Game Trainer check of the puzzle position to explore variations:
http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t... |
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Jan-02-11
 | | Eyal: If Black plays 25...exf5 instead of ...Bxf5 the draw is simpler - 26.Qh6 forcing 26...g6 or g5, and then 27.Rxg6+ or Rxg5+, respectively. With the white knight no longer on d4, however, 27.Qh6 doesn't work because Black can defend g7 by 27...Ne6. An interesting try by White which almost works but not quite is <27.Rh3> f6 28.Bxc5 Qe4! (not 28...Bxc5?? 29.e6 and mate; 28...Qd5 is also ok, but not 28...Qc6? 29.Nd6! - access to e6 is a key) 29.e6 Qxe6 30.Qh7+ Kf7 31.Qh5+ g6 32.Qh7+ Ke8 33.Re3 Rf7! 34.Qxg6 Rxc5 35.Nc7+ Rxc7 36.Rxe6 Rxc2 and Black comes out on top materially in spite of giving up the queen, though I suppose White still has drawing chances here. |
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Jan-02-11
 | | tarek1: This one is a tough one. I couldn't find a clear-cut win.
White has a mating attack but the many obvious moves to make progress don't seem to work.
<25.Rh3> fails to <25...Bxg2+> and I'm not sure if <25.Rxg7+ Kxg7 26.Qg4+ Bg6> leads anywhere.
But I noticed that this quiet move :
<25.Rf6> is very strong. It blocks the f pawn and the rook is taboo. <25...Bxf6 26.ef g6 27.Qh6> with mate. So <25...g6> and then it's not easy to find a follow up, but <26.Nc3> to remove the defense of g6 is the best I could come up with.
If Bf5 then Qh6 with the idea of Rh3 and mate seems unavoidable.
If Nd5 then Nxe4 followed by Rxg6 leads to mate.
I don't know if this worth but less see.
Happy new year to all ! |
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Jan-02-11
 | | tarek1: Ok, White's goal is to make a draw, which I didn't see. I overlooked the Rf6 fails because of Bg6 - g6 gives a perpetual, but Bg6 wins for Black. |
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Jan-02-11
 | | lost in space: I was locking for 25. Rf6. Duirng wrinting this I see that this move was already covered by <tarek1>, so I have nothing to add. ---
25. Nf5. Haven't thought about it before seeing the solution. But I agree with <Phony Benoni> that - locking backwards - it is clear that this is a good move. |
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Jan-02-11
 | | lost in space: Sorry, typo. 25. Rf5 |
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Jan-02-11
 | | Eyal: Ok, I'll try again... <25.Nf5?> instead of Rf5 loses to 25...exf5 (25...Bxf5? 26.Rxf5 transposes to the game, of course), but there are some rather tricky lines - e.g., 26.Bxc5 Bxg2+! (26...Bxc5? 27.Rxg7+! and draw) 27.Rxg2 Rxc5 and Black emerges a piece up; note that an immediate 26...Rxc5 allows 27.Qh6, and after 27...g6/g5 (27...Bxg2+ 28.Kg1!) White will sac his rook - which isn't pinned - and force a perpetual. Or 26.Qh6 Ne6 27.Bxe7 (threatening Bf6 and mate) 27...Bxg2+! 28.Kg1 (28.Rxg2 Rxc2) Bxf1 29.Bf6 Qg2+! 30.Rxg2 Bxg2 31.Bxg7 Nxg7 32.Kxg2 (or 32.Qxb6) Rxc2+. |
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