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Zaven Andriasian vs Miroslawa Litwiniec
European Rapid Championship (2010), Warsaw POL, rd 1, Dec-18
Italian Game: Classical Variation. General (C53)  ·  1-0
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Jun-27-11  estrick: <LIFE Master AJ: . . . IF I wanted to embarrass that person - I would post their real name and their e-mail address here, as I saved their e-mail. (I won't.)>

Got to let it go.

Greatness lies in being able to rise above the mire into which petty detractors would drag you down. Or in the words of Nixon, (who was not great at practicing what he preached) "Your enemies only win if you hate them back."

Jun-27-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  Domdaniel: We all know things which would embarrass others if they were made public, whether on this site or anywhere else. Most of the time, most of us have the sense to keep such knowledge private -- and also to keep quiet about *possession* of the knowledge, because bragging about one's saintly self-restraint can sound dangerously like a threat.

Or, to quote Nixon again, "Whaaaat?"

Jun-27-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  FSR: Ah yes, we see Black essaying the celebrated Moron Defense to the Giuoco Piano.
Jun-27-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  TheFocus: 2 seconds to solve that.
Jun-27-11  LIFE Master AJ: <FSR> I like it! (I agree too. Very poor play by Black.)
Jun-27-11  DrMAL: <LIFE Master AJ: a 2500+ beats an 1800 player?> Stranger things have happened. I would not have guessed 1800.
Jun-27-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  Domdaniel: And I agree with both <AJ> and <FSR>. I enjoyed getting the chance to say that.

Black is lost, really, after 7...h6. White has nothing forcing, yet, but ...h6 is a red rag to a bull. Instead of getting those pieces out (7...Nf6), Black tries to be 'solid' and 'defensive', showing fear of the opponent. I bet Litwiniec wouldn't have played so feebly against somebody with a similar rating.

It's amazing how often ...h6 is the losing move in such situations.

Jun-27-11  Brandon plays: Re8+ 1-0
Jun-27-11  Formula7: 17.Rd8+ Kxd8 18.Qxf7 wins the queen for a rook.
Jun-27-11  wals: Rybka 4 x 64

Black resigned after 17.Rd8+.

d 20 : 15 min :

1. (21.10): 17...Kxd8 18.Qxf7[] Bh3 19.Qxg7[] Re8 20.Rd1+[] Kc8 21.gxh3[] Kb8 22.Qg6[] Rc8 23.Qxe4[] b6 24.e6 a6 25.f4 Ka7 26.e7[] Re8 27.Kf2 Rac8 28.f5 Rg8 29.f6 Rh8 30.f7 a5 31.f8Q Re8 32.Qxe8 Rxe8

Black blunders

10...Nf6, +2.45. Best, Qd7, +1.02.

11...dxe5, +6.54. Best, 0.00, +2.45.

14...Ne4, +8.45. Best, c5, +7.84.

15...Qf5, +21.10. Best, Nd6, +8.45.

Jun-27-11  stst: 17.Rd8+ will dislodge the Q, as Kxd8 is the forced move to prolong the game. 18.Qxf7 and Bk can resign, for virtually no move* could save the monarch waiting the double threat of 19.Rd1# or Qe7#

Leave the * for, say, Nxc3 to guard against Rd1, but then, as already said, Qe7# will finish it off. Not to leave other "defending" effort, there could be, say 18....Nc5/d6, but W's response is simple and natural: IF...Nc5, 19.Bxc5
IF...Nd6, 19.Pxd6 ..cxd6, 20.Bxd6 etc.
Easy, but still not really too simple....

Jun-27-11  stst: <set up move Bxf7+ was really nice!
this game wins the award for hardest to pronounce names! are these french names?

Some fun stuff:
1. might be a typo for Qxf7 (clearly the Bk Q is on light sq, while the W B is o dark sq - how to cross over?) 2. bet that these are at most "pseudo" French names!
Need judgment from soem Linquists!!

Jun-27-11  stst: <TheChessGuy - Le Mec d’échecs> Je peux lire quelques langues, mais parler – c’est autre chose. J’ai l’accent execrable.

-- Merci! Willing to learn more French ...

Jun-27-11  WhiteRook48: 17 Rd8+ Kxd8 18 Qxf7, wow, that was hilariously easy. If the puzzle had started a move earlier I might not have gotten it though.
Jun-27-11  sevenseaman: <If the puzzle had started a move earlier I might not have gotten it though.> Good observation. Not many would see that White should play 16. Bxf7.
Jun-28-11  nisarg1: I think white can push it till the end:
17.♖d8+ ♔xd8 18.♕xf7 ♖e8 19.♖d1+ ♘d6 20.exd6 ♗d7 (20.♖e1+ ♖xe1 21.♖xe1 ♗d7 22.♖e8+♗xe8 23.♕xc7#) 21.dxc7 ♔xc7 22.♕xd7+ ♔b6 23.♖d6+ ♔a5 24.♗b4#

Any comments?

Jun-28-11  MostlyAverageJoe: <sevenseaman: ... Not many would see that White should play 16. Bxf7.>

I have to disagree. It is a completely forcing move with just one possible response -- it screams to be considered.

Jun-28-11
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  patzer2: Prior to the improvements given by <wals>, Black should also consider 4...Nf6= and 7...Nf6= as possible improvements.

After 9...Qe7? 10. 0-0 , White as the much stronger player has the game under control, and after 11. e5! dxe6 12. Ba3 it's an easy win.

Jun-28-11  LIFE Master AJ: <<Jun-27-11 DrMAL: <LIFE Master AJ: a 2500+ beats an 1800 player?> Stranger things have happened. I would not have guessed 1800.>>

Exactly my point.

I won the Mobile Classic this past Saturday.

In that tournament was a 600-rated player. (He drew my student.) I would bet that the 600 there ... could have easily defeated this 1800.

Bah! It literally makes me gag ...

Jun-28-11  JoergWalter: <estrick: Andre the Giant, a professional wrestler from France who stood 2.14 meters and weighed 230 kilos, was known to drink in these quantities on a nightly basis. Didn't do much for his longevity, though.> quite a routine. did not Dean Martin say, that you can get a 100 years old in alcohol?
Jun-28-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  Domdaniel: <wals> -- <Black blunders

10...Nf6, +2.45. Best, Qd7, +1.02.

11...dxe5, +6.54. Best, 0.00, +2.45.

14...Ne4, +8.45. Best, c5, +7.84.>

The first one, yes, I agree. 10...Qd7 is an improvement that just about keeps Black in the game. But the other examples can't really be called blunders, as Black is already lost.

Does it really make any difference if 14...c5 is marginally less awful than 14...Ne4 ...?

Looking back, I think the losing moves were made in the opening - which is why <FSR> called it the 'Moron Defense'.

4...d6 is just playable, but it's known to be an inferior move. Better to develop with 4...Nf6.

Then 7...h6 gets Black into real trouble. Again, 7...Nf6 would be better. The 'swing' on the engine eval is only about 1.4 at this stage, I think, so the comp may not select it as a 'blunder'.

Yet this is the sort of move we should examine, not meaningless choices when the game is beyond rescue.

This isn't a criticism of either you or the player -- just a pointer to the way engine analysis can sometimes miss the real key points in a game.

Jun-28-11  LIFE Master AJ: No, but you can pickle your liver ... just like my father did. (He died in 1989, he was a severe alchoholic.)
Jun-28-11  LIFE Master AJ: 4...d6!? (maybe ?!)
7...h6? (maybe - '??')

After that, it may already be over. Sometimes White makes a few (minor) errors ... and only winds up with an equal game.

In open games, (as Black); sometimes one error or mistake is fatal.

Jun-28-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  Domdaniel: Hey, I just said that.

Of course, AJ doesn't know this. I am Invisible to him. I am on his long list of people to ignore.

His loss, frankly.

Sep-11-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: <Domdaniel: ....Of course, AJ doesn't know this. I am Invisible to him. I am on his long list of people to ignore.

His loss, frankly.>

I quite agree.

That damned iggy-list again!

What did you ever do? At least I got there because I call him down for his abuse towards others, but you never bother anyone.

<....Instead of getting those pieces out (7...Nf6), Black tries to be 'solid' and 'defensive', showing fear of the opponent.>

Her play rather resembles that of a typical 'NN' of 19th century vintage, as even a modern player of this strength understands a basic tenet of the open games, that of rapid development.

<....It's amazing how often ...h6 is the losing move in such situations.>

This all reminds me of reading through a Fred Reinfeld manual in which that typical NN plays this sort of move, with retribution soon to follow.

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