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|Jan-20-11|| ||Fanques Fair: Beautiful 33- Be5+ ! Wins in a few moves !
Grishuck sacrificed the exchange for nothing...
|Jan-20-11|| ||HeMateMe: Why did black give up the exchange? He seemed to get nothing for it. I assume it was done to put more heat on the f2 square, but nothing materialized.|
|Jan-20-11|| ||dramas79: < al wazir: How does white win after 36...Bxg5 37. Qxg5 Qd5! ? Is this hopeless?> Maybe 38Qh1+ Kf7 39.Rh2+ picks up the Queen.|
|Jan-20-11|| ||al wazir: <dramas79: <How does white win after 36...Bxg5 37. Qxg5 Qd5! ?> Maybe 38Qh1+> I don't understand this move. |
Or how about 37...Qxd4 ? (Sorry, I deleted the original post by mistake.)
I would have played on a few more moves.
|Jan-20-11|| ||dramas79: Oops, I meant 37Qh1+ (instead of Qxg5) and white picks up the Q since the Bishop no longer blocks it.|
|Jan-20-11|| ||dramas79: Actually 38. Rh2+ is mate! (after 37 Qh1+ and 37...Kf7|
|Jan-20-11|| ||al wazir: <drams79>: I get it. You meant 37. Qh8+. Yes, that wins.|
All right. then how about 36...Nh5 ? After 37. gxh5 Qd5 38. Qxd5 (38. Qb8+ Bf8) cxd5 39. hxd6 Bxg5, black has drawing chances.
|Jan-20-11|| ||haydn20: After 40. Rh2 then Re2, can't W knock off the certer pawns with an easy win?|
|Jan-20-11|| ||Sastre: <al wazir: how about 36...Nh5 ? After 37. gxh5 Qd5 38. Qxd5 (38. Qb8+ Bf8) cxd5 39. hxd6 Bxg5, black has drawing chances> 40.Rh7 Bf6 41.Ra7 Bxd4 42.Rxa5 Kg7 43.Ra6 Kxg6 44.Rxe6+ Kf5 45.Rc6 Be3 46.a5 .|
|Jan-20-11|| ||Ulhumbrus: In return for the exchange sacrifice Grischuk gains a Knight in the centre supported by its own pawn and not subject to attack from a White pawn, a type of Knight which according to Tarrasch "is scarcely weaker than a Rook". |
Unfortunately for Black, other things are not equal in the position. White has more space and Black's h pawn, e pawn and c pawn are all backward. Perhaps if other things were equal any White advantage would be minimal. But they aren't.
|Jan-20-11|| ||ozmikey: <HeMateMe> It's an interesting idea, setting up a knight permanently on d5, leaving Black with good bishop vs. bad bishop, gaining control of the light squares in the centre and leaving White with a slightly unwieldy pawn structure. But I still think the simple 16...Qf7 would have been better (17. Bg4 Nxd5 18. Qe2 e5!).|
|Jan-20-11|| ||wordfunph: from Chessbase..
The daily 500-euro “Piet Zwart Prize” for the best game of the day went to Wang Hao. GM Ivan Sokolov: "No ifs or buts about it – his handling of the white side of the King’s Indian with 3.g3 was exemplary.
|Jan-20-11|| ||kudubux: This may be a case of too much poker on the part of Grischuk. He sacrificed the exchanged to BLUFF Hao and then folded when Hao went all in. :)|
|Jan-20-11|| ||sevenseaman: 35. Resign. ..Nf4+ is too cosmetic an attempt at a distraction. When a tiger has its prey by the throat, it cannot hear a lullaby!|
|Jan-20-11|| ||dramas79: <<drams79>: I get it. You meant 37. Qh8+.> You are right. My bad. Abt.<nh5> i think <Sastre> answered it.|
|Jan-21-11|| ||al wazir: <Sastre>: You're right. I guess it's hopeless. Thanks.|
|Feb-07-11|| ||ReikiMaster: 16...Qf7 looks equal. The natural square for black Bishop was g7 but after 30.Bf4 that wasn't possible.|
|Aug-21-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: Great GOTD!
This game has "featured in a Move-by-Move book" written all over it!
|Aug-21-12|| ||rilkefan: <<ReikiMaster>: 16...Qf7 looks equal.>|
Stockfish agrees: 17.Bg4 Nxd5 18.Qe2 e5 19.dxe5 dxe5 20.f4 c6 21.fxe5 Qe7 22.Rf6 etc is 0.00, depth of 30 (0.7 Gnodes). 20...Rbe8 21.fxe5 Qe7 22.Rxf8 is a bit more of a human line and still 0.00.
It thinks 13.exf5 Rxf5 14.h3 was stronger: 0.4 because (so it appears) of control of e4 and the white squares. Perhaps for this reason it prefers 12...c6, which it thinks is equal or just a tad better for white after normal moves.
|Aug-21-12|| ||waustad: Yesterday in the broadcast of the little league WS, a player from Taipei named Hou was on second base. Before the color commentator (Terry Francona) could say a word the announcer said, "Don't start!"|
|Aug-21-12|| ||kevin86: The king steps aside and mate will come quickly...or worse.|
|Aug-21-12|| ||Once: Very imaginative play by Grischuk - he sacrifices the exchange in order to give himself an unassailable knight outpost on d5. |
Unfortunately, knight outposts are only useful if the knight can reach somewhere interesting from them. And in this case it turned out that the Nd5 was pretty impotent. It was in range of precisely diddly other than a spite check on f4.
So white punishes him by doubling rooks on the half open f file left weakened by his ambitious exchange sac. Then exchange one set of rooks so that the open h and f files have to favour white with the only remaining rook.
33. Be5+ was a nice touch to sac-tivate the bad bishop and give the white queen an entry square.
A great game? I wouldn't go quite that far. Wang played very well, but the fate of the game was decided by an unwise and speculative exchange sac by Grischuk.
|Aug-21-12|| ||Mate Hunter: What about 15...Nc2? 16. Qxc2 leads to 16...Rxf3, while 16. Rc1 leads to 16...Nxd4.|
|Aug-21-12|| ||moi: What would be wrong with 18 Qxf7 pls? That would leave white a quality ahead.|
|Aug-21-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: <Mate Hunter> In regards to 15...Nc2, Stockfish gives the following line|
15...Nc2 16. Qxc2 Rxf3 17. Qe4 Rf7 (17...Rf6 18. g5 Rf5 19. f4 ) 18. Rac1 Qd7 19. Qe6 Qc8 20. Rfe1 c5 21. dxc6 bxc6 22. Qxc8+ Rxc8 23. Re2 (+0.68/22)
<moi> According to Stockfish, 18. Qxf7+ is stronger than the game continuation.
It offers this line as advantageous for White:
18. Qxf7+ Kxf7 19. Kg2 h6 20. gxh6 Bxh6 21. Rh1 Bg7 22. Rh7 Rf8 23. Rah1 Kg8 24. f4 Nxd5 25. Kf3 e6 26. R7h2 Kf7 27. Re1 Re8 28. Ke4 Ke7 29. Reh1 Rf8 30. Bc1 Kd7 31. Bd2 c6 (+1.09/24)
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