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|Jan-25-11|| ||Poisonpawns: |
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Is there any way for black to draw this??
|Jan-25-11|| ||Eyal: <Why not go another move earlier and play 11. ... b5 ? I have not checked to see if there is a tactical refutation but it is a lot more in the spirit of Najdorf.>|
This isn't the most typical Najdorf position - in cases where Black plays ...e5 and White starts a pawn storm on the K-side (after 6.Be3), Black is usually better developed when the knight gets kicked out from f6 by g5. 12.Bg4, as in S Smagin vs J Gallagher, 1990, looks rather unpleasant for Black. Btw, what's wrong with 12...a5?
|Jan-25-11|| ||Eyal: <Qf3 looks more normal [than 24.Qf1], as it keeps an eye on c3 while still threatening tactics against f7)> |
Yeah - the problem with 24.Qf3, btw, is tactical – after 24…Qb4 25.Bc1 it allows Black to gain an important tempo for defence with 25…Ne5. At any rate, 24.Qg3 is indeed not only more human than Qf1, but seems practically more efficient.
|Jan-25-11|| ||Kazzak: Nakamura set up for an attack, and then got second thoughts after g4. He didn't commit in time to sending his Ne5-c4, thinking he might need it on the kingside, and that led to the ineffective use of the Queen instead, and Carlsen was happy to see her way off on the a-file instead of where she would be directly involved in a counter.|
Very strange playing by Nakamura. Seeing how superbly he has defended in other games, you would think he could have done the same against Carlsen. Holding Carlsen to a solid draw would have been great for his self confidence and bad for Carlsen's. Some immature psychology on display from Nakamura here.
|Jan-25-11|| ||Eyal: <Nakamura set up for an attack, and then got second thoughts after g4.>|
Most likely he got confused by g4 (apparently he sank into thought after Carlsen played it), because 6.Be2 typically means "positional" play - in the Geller-Karpov tradition - with White castling K-side. Nakamura played a careless move order, with 8...0-0 before Be6, and so found himself in a sort of English Attack setup but not quite identical with the standard 6.Be3 lines, and had to start improvising from a very early stage.
|Jan-25-11|| ||Hesam7: <Hesam7: But Black's best move which is not mentioned by Carlsen is 19. ... Nec4. Now Stockfish 2.0.1 gives the following @ depth 32: 20. Bxc4 Nxc4 21. Qd3 Qb6 22. Nb3 g6 23. h6 Qb4 24. Rdf1 Ne5 25. Qg3 Nc4 26. Qd3 with an evaluation of 0.00.>|
Reexamining my analysis I am not sure about this at all. White can play: 19. ... Nec4 20. Bxc4 Nxc4 21. Qd3 Qb6 22. Bc1:
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Now Stockfish 2.0.1 gives the following @ depth 29: 22. ... Ne5 23. Qg3 Qa5 24. Nd5 Bxd5 25. exd5 Qxd5 26. g6 Rc4 27. gxh7 Kxh7 28. c3 f6 29. Rhf1 Qf7 etc. with an evaluation of +0.36.
I must say this game does not really lend itself to engine analysis. And I have to go through all of analysis (Magnus's video, Danny King's video, Shipov's live commentary and my own notes) to get an accurate picture.
|Jan-25-11|| ||Kazzak: I said immature psychology - on the other hand, given Carlsen's bad start, and his vapid draw against Anand, Nakamura may have been tempted by the prospects of "wiping Carlsen off the board."|
As I play through this (using an engine, mind you), looking for the more solid counters to Carlsen's playing, it's quite evident that Nakamura could have put up a lot more effective resistance, and that doing so would be well within his skill level.
But let's not complain. We have a reinvigorated tournament, with lots of players contending for the podium.
I put money on Nakamura and Carlsen being co-winners, before the start of the tournament, so I should be happy.
|Jan-25-11|| ||Kazzak: @Hesam7 - I found the same when it came to engines handling this position.|
For instance, I had fun running the possible Qf1 move through a variety of engines (the latest SF, Houdini, Fire, Fritz12). It was interesting to see that some were completely blind to the variation and its implications, while others churned away at the option from Go.
|Jan-25-11|| ||kingscrusher: I have video annotated this fantastic game here:
It earns Magnus some "Kingscrusher points" for his kings crushing attack!
|Jan-25-11|| ||chesschampion11: Uncommon opening? i think this is a sicilian najdorf.|
|Jan-25-11|| ||BobCrisp: <I must say this game does not really lend itself to engine analysis. And I have to go through all of analysis (Magnus's video...>|
Where is Magnus's video?
|Jan-25-11|| ||patzer2: The Chess base analysis at http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... also includes some excellent video analysis by Daniel King.|
King's really critical of 8...0-0?!, emphatically stating that 8...Be6 is the correct move to avoid White's strong king side attack, in that 8...Be6 9. g4?! is met with 9...d5! .
King also emphasizes the strength and subtlety of Carlsen's attack with strong praise for 18. Ka1! and 24. Qg3!
|Jan-25-11|| ||BobCrisp: Why is this <Uncommon Opening>?|
|Jan-25-11|| ||The Chess Express: Heh, good question :)|
|Jan-25-11|| ||patzer2: Here at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aySH... is the video of Carlsen's post game analysis.|
|Jan-25-11|| ||patzer2: Carlsen says he thinks the game is pretty much "strategically decided" after 20. g6!|
|Jan-25-11|| ||BobCrisp: Thank you, oh great white chief!|
|Jan-26-11|| ||Eyal: Nakamura, in answer to the question where did it all go wrong:|
<I forgot to play 8…Be6 and decided I was going to be a genius and castle instead… I simply forgot about this g4 line because I haven’t played the Najdorf seriously in 5 or 6 years. I simply forgot about g4, and once he played it I pretty much knew it was going to be a long long day. I tried to come up with something, but it was just a very bad position from the get go.> (http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/t...)
|Jan-26-11|| ||anandrulez: What does Magnus mean when he says that
19 ..Qc5 is one prepatory move extra ? Why does that seemingly logical move become a blunder ? I oo didnt like the move as it doesnt seem to attain anything . What was Naka trying to do there and what is Carlsen suggesting instaed ? Magnus does play g4 ideas often in Sicilian games ...
|Jan-26-11|| ||Jay60: Where did Nakamura go wrong?
I would say 25...Qa5 was especially bad. He wanted to keep up an attack on Carlsen's King, but really? With insufficient Nakamura forces Carlsen easily parried threats to his king. I think Nakamura needed at this point to bring his forces to defend his King rather than half-baked attacks on Carlsen's king.
|Jan-27-11|| ||Hesam7: <Eyal: Nakamura, in answer to the question where did it all go wrong:|
<I forgot to play 8…Be6 and decided I was going to be a genius and castle instead… I simply forgot about this g4 line because I haven’t played the Najdorf seriously in 5 or 6 years. I simply forgot about g4, and once he played it I pretty much knew it was going to be a long long day. I tried to come up with something, but it was just a very bad position from the get go.>>
Yes Nakamura playing the Najdorf was surprising. If I recall correctly after 6. Be2 he even spent some time on his 6th move (deciding between 6. ... e6 and 6. ... e5 maybe?). My impression is that at the highest level you have to decide on these things before the game starts.
|Jan-28-11|| ||Ulhumbrus: <Hesam7: <And there’s the first blow at point-blank range! Hand-to-hand fighting is beginning. The f7-pawn, it seems, is overloaded with responsibilities. It needs to keep an eye on the bishop – which is in trouble from the white knight – and to protect the g6-point. It seems the advance of the white pawn was an unpleasant revelation for Hikaru. He’s having a long think. The clocks show: 0:45 – 0:45.> -- GM Shipov during his live commentary
<I felt somehow that after 19. ... Qc5 20. g6 in a sense the game is strategically decided.> -- GM Carlsen commenting on his win after the game.|
So Shipov from the comfort of his own home and with various engines at his disposal still got "out-evaluated" by Carlsen.>
Shipov's comments suggest in fact that it was Nakamura who got "out evaluated" and not Shipov.
Shipov is one of the best commentators there is. I doubt whether I have seen any better, although Mihail Marin may compare. If either of those two had managed to write and publish chess books a few decades ago before the age of the internet, the books would have been best sellers.
|Jan-31-11|| ||notyetagm: Game Collection: Magnus Carlsen Best Games|
|Jan-31-11|| ||Hesam7: <Ulhumbrus: Shipov's comments suggest in fact that it was Nakamura who got "out evaluated" and not Shipov.>|
Well can't be both? Plus Nakamura had no illusions about his position. After the game he remarked that after 9. g4 he realized it would be a long day.
|Feb-02-11|| ||sevenseaman: This fine game between two rising youngsters of the game shows how accurately can Carlsen play under pressure.|
Perhaps Naka castled a bit too early, giving Carlsen a choice to castle long and attack on the other wing. An immediate g4 ensues.
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