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|Jan-25-11|| ||mastermind7994: There are no similar games.|
|Jan-25-11|| ||mastermind7994: 19.Bc1! is just wonderful.|
|Jan-25-11|| ||Akavall: I love games like that, very original opening by Kramnik.|
|Jan-25-11|| ||Marmot PFL: Takes a lot of courage to go after the a-pawn while the enemy is after your king.|
|Jan-25-11|| ||HeMateMe: Gorgeous game, smooth as Morphy. Massive home prep.|
|Jan-25-11|| ||Everett: Looks like an Anti-Gruenfeld English. Suba, Seirawan and others have played this way. White keeps a small center and pushes the h-pawn, attacking the fianchetto.|
|Jan-25-11|| ||Everett: Seirawan vs Korchnoi, 1983|
Seirawan vs I Sokolov, 1987
Suba vs D Roos, 1978
|Jan-25-11|| ||plang: I would think many would simply play 10..h5. Kramnik is not going to castle queenside.|
|Jan-25-11|| ||capanegra: Was this really a good game by Kramnik? I have the impression that he got unnecessary in trouble with a dubious opening, creating a weakness in c3 which should have been better exploited by Black. Instead of that, L'Ami lost time and deviated forces trying to capture the poisoned a-Pawn.|
For instance, why didn't Black play 13…Bxc3? After 14.Bxc3 Qxc3 Queens must be exchanged, and Black keeps an extra Pawn with a slightly inferior position which should still hold.
I'd appreciate if someone posts Kramnik's thoughts in the press conference after this game.
|Jan-25-11|| ||Marmot PFL: 11...Bg4 is another way to slow down the h-pawn.|
|Jan-25-11|| ||MarkThornton: I was watching this game live on www.tatasteelchess.com, and I was genuinely shocked when L'Ami resigned. I could see no forced win for White, and still cannot. I suggest 23...Nxc3, when Black has an extra pawn to compensate him for his difficulties.|
|Jan-25-11|| ||Kinghunt: <MarkThornton: I was watching this game live on www.tatasteelchess.com, and I was genuinely shocked when L'Ami resigned. I could see no forced win for White, and still cannot. I suggest 23...Nxc3, when Black has an extra pawn to compensate him for his difficulties.>|
One winning line after 23...Nxc3 is 24. Qg5+ f6 25. Rh7+, winning easily. If 24...Ke6, then 25. Nc4! and black has to give up the queen to not get mated. 25...Qc7 26. Rh7! and mate will follow shortly.
|Jan-25-11|| ||capanegra: <MarkThornton> In the final position Black is about to receive a massive bombing. After 23...Nxc3 24.Qg5+ he is dead in any continuation. I give you just one: 24...Qf6 25.Nxg6+ fxg6 26.Rh7+ Ke6 27.Bh3+|
|Jan-25-11|| ||Eyal: <One winning line after 23...Nxc3 is 24. Qg5+ f6 25. Rh7+, winning easily. If 24...Ke6, then 25. Nc4! and black has to give up the queen to not get mated.>|
Another option after 24...Ke6 is 25.Bh3+ f5 26.Bxf5+ gxf5 27.Rh6+ with a quick mate (Black's king is so exposed that there are plenty of wins); 24...Kd6 loses the queen to 25.Nc4+; 24...Kf8 loses to 25.Nxd7+ Kg8 26.Qh6. Black didn't resign one moment too soon. Btw, a couple of moves earlier 21...Qf6 is met by 22.Qh8+! winning a piece.
|Jan-25-11|| ||nummerzwei: <capanegra: For instance, why didn't Black play 13…Bxc3? After 14.Bxc3 Qxc3 Queens must be exchanged, and Black keeps an extra Pawn with a slightly inferior position which should still hold.>|
15.Rc1 QxQd2+ 16.NxQd2 regains the pawn in your line, which seems to give white the advantage.
|Jan-25-11|| ||capanegra: <Eyal> <a couple of moves earlier 21...Qf6 is met by 22.Qh8+! winning a piece> What do you think about playing that move even a couple of moves earlier: 19…Qf6?|
|Jan-25-11|| ||capanegra: <mummerzwei> You're right, thanks. Still, I believe Black had a fine opening and should have entered in good conditions into the middle game. I guess the position deserves a deeper study.|
|Jan-25-11|| ||Eyal: <What do you think about playing that move even a couple of moves earlier: 19…Qf6?>|
It doesn't help, by this stage Black is already lost: 19...Qf6 20.Qh7+ Kf8 21.d4! (with the idea of driving away the black queen from the a1-h8 diagonal by Bg5, and then playing Bh6) 21...g5 22.Bxg5 Qg6 23.Ne5! Qxh7 (23...Bxe5 24.Bh6+ Bg7 25.Qh8#) 24.Nxd7+ Kg8 25.Rxh7 Kxh7 26.Rxa4.
|Jan-25-11|| ||crazybird: <“It’s funny people keep defending with the Gruenfeld when I’m white,” Kramnik said with a big grin after the game. “They probably don’t realize I scored 5 out of 6 with the line lately.> |
|Jan-25-11|| ||capanegra: Thanks <Eyal>, Black is lost indeed. |
On second thoughts about <mummerzwei>'s continuation, after 13…Bxc3 14.Bxc3 Qxc3 15.Rc1 Qxd2+ 16.Nxd2 Be6 17.Rxc5 Rac8 material is even but Black has a very pleasant position. I think this is what is should have been played.
|Jan-25-11|| ||Eyal: <Massive home prep.>|
It's funny how some people automatically assume, every time someone plays well before move 20 or 30, that it has to be home preparation, as if top players are totally incapable of coming up with good ideas over the board anymore...
<"Today’s win was amazingly simple. I decided to try 5.d3 and mount the attack with 10.h4 on the spur of the moment."> (http://www.tatasteelchess.com/tourn...)
|Jan-25-11|| ||The Rocket: <"Was this really a good game by Kramnik? I have the impression that he got unnecessary in trouble with a dubious opening, creating a weakness in c3 ">|
Practically this strategy of opening was not too bad actually, but from an objective viewpoint yeah white is probably struggling a bit against a more optimal opponent.
Like I said in the main forum its quite incredible that black missed f6 twice!, White is crashing down on the h-file and f6 makes the win less clear for obvious reasons(escape square!)
Its a rather known ugly escape routine in these kingside attacks but when the king is under fire you cant be concerned with positional factors other than saving your king!.
|Jan-25-11|| ||kdogphs: <Akavall: I love games like that, very original opening by Kramnik.>|
Amen to that, I tell my students all the time, be original but still fundamentally sound but do they listen? Not always, this game is a great example of originality as 10) h4 was a novelty...
|Jan-25-11|| ||HeMateMe: <Eyal> It depends on the player. I think Kramnik is somewhat cautious, expecially against the best players. [I know, you can trot out a game or two where this is not the case]...but generally, he draws a lot against the heavies.|
I think he has worked out a lot of this opening at home. Nothing wrong with that. It just looked a little too easy. I realize MLG is not Carlsen, but I'll go out on a limb and believe that the initial advantage here was worked out at home, with lines checked by a software program.
|Jan-25-11|| ||woodthrush: <Eyal> black might improve, after 19...Qf6 20 Qh7+ Kf8 21. d4 with 21..Nb6 to guard the bishop on d7, and the black queen, driven away from f6 by white Bg5, can return to f6 immediately after white plays Bh6.|
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