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|Jan-28-11|| ||minasina: First time Carlsen won Kramnik - this year.|
|Jan-28-11|| ||SuperPatzer77: Hooray, Carlsen! I'm totally glad that he beats the heck out of Kramnik! Well-done, Carlsen!!|
|Jan-28-11|| ||perfidious: I don't like cxd5 in these Catalan-type positions, as White's fianchettoed bishop then has little to do.|
|Jan-28-11|| ||Marmot PFL: No one has ever played this endgame with such elegant ease as Carlsen. You could say that both Fischer and Carlsen had or have the ability to let chess look simple. - Viswanathan Anand|
|Jan-28-11|| ||The Chess Express: <perfidious> I would have preferred to maintain the tension as well.|
|Jan-28-11|| ||Ulhumbrus: The conclusion of the ending suggests that Kramnik repeated the mistake of his game against Carlsen at London 2010: he evaluated the ending too optimistically.|
Whereas at London 2010 Kramnik evaluated his ending against Carlsen as a more unbalanced win and an easier win than it was in fact, in the present game Kramnik evaluated wrongly the ending arising out of the opening as drawn for White whereas in fact it was won for Black.
Perhaps his mistake in his previous game against Carlsen had an effect on his play. To borrow the words of Bent Larsen (speaking of his win against Bronstein in his book of his games) some games are worth more than one point.
|Jan-28-11|| ||Kinghunt: Brilliant endgame play to bring home the full point. Very nicely played by Carlsen.|
|Jan-28-11|| ||luzhin: Kramnik really had to swap two knights for R+P with 17.Ne5xf7-- 17.Qxa5 was not so good.Perhaps he saw too late that after 17...Qxd6 18.Rc6 Qb8 19.Nxd7? Carlsen has the devastating 19...Bb7! Of course if Carlsen had played 16...Bxe2?? then 17.Nc6 would win the Queen.|
|Jan-28-11|| ||Kinghunt: An interesting line we could have seen is 72. Bd5 Kxh3 73. Ke2 Kxg4 74.
Kxd2, leading to the following position:
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We are in tablebase territory now, so it's possible to do definitive analysis which I think helps establish just how tricky it is to convert this. First of all, the position is in fact objectively won, but there are several only moves black would have to find.
First only move: <74...Kg3!> Okay, not that hard to find. But the tempting 74...h5?? fails to win. Only 74...Kg3 preserves the win.
So, you found and played 74...Kg3. White responds with <75. Ke3>. We have another only move here. Can you find it? The move is <75...h5!>.
White responds to 75...h5 with <76. Ke4>. And guess what? Yep, yet another only move. <76...h4!> is critical.
White meets 76...h4 with <77. Kf5>. Another only move: <77...h3!>.
White responds with 78. Kxf6. Only move <78...Kf4!.> And only from here is it relatively straightforward.
|Jan-28-11|| ||beenthere240: Great King tour by Carlsen.|
|Jan-28-11|| ||HeMateMe: Sure looked like a draw. Only the white pawns being on its Bishop's color made a break through possible.|
|Jan-28-11|| ||AuN1: if kramnik would have gotten his head out his a.ss and played his pawns to g4 and h5 the draw would have been much easier to preserve.|
|Jan-28-11|| ||piltdown man: Magnificent Magnus is back in town!|
|Jan-28-11|| ||polarmis: <AuN1>, don't agree with your phrasing, as ever, but yes, it does look as though pushing the pawn to h5 should be a simple draw - or at least that was Sergey Shipov's opinion. He's discussing that point in this video at about 27:52 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH5v... He thought 44. h3?! and then 45. g4? were terrible. His only explanation for Kramnik's play was that Kramnik was exhausted, though he also said that Carlsen played brilliantly and the game could go straight into an endgame textbook.|
|Jan-28-11|| ||Creg: <Marmot PFL> You should look at the great Capablanca when it comes to natural endgame ability. However, with that said, Magnus is clearly on par with his endgame technique as well. I have to continuously remind myself that Magnus is only 20 years old!|
|Jan-28-11|| ||Peligroso Patzer: From page 101 of this thread: Tata Steel (2011)|
<anandrulez: GM Nunn from official site :
Carlsen was pleased with the win but said that Kramnik had to play very carelessly to lose this endgame. He pinpointed 59.Bb7 as the final error, because after 59...Kd2 White is in zugzwang. "If he had played 59. Bc8! I don't see how I can win. I would have had to bring my king back and play for ...d4, but I don't think it is enough. I have plenty of time to try, though." Earlier in the game, Carlsen described 16...b5 as "a trap. He missed that if 19.Nxd7 I have this very nice move 19...Bb7!!. Then after 22.Qxb5 he offered a draw, but I have played Kramnik often enough to know what that means - I must play on. "I was disappointed to see 24.Qe3 - I didn't see any way to win after that. But he really played the endgame carelessly. I think he could have played 44.Ke6 - after I get ...g5+ I at least have winning chances.">
|Jan-29-11|| ||Eyal: <He [Carlsen] pinpointed 59.Bb7 as the final error, because after 59...Kd2 White is in zugzwang. "If he had played 59. Bc8! I don't see how I can win."> |
The point is that after 59...Kd2:
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White has to keep his bishop on the long diagonal to keep attacking d5, otherwise ...Nd1 either wins the e3 pawn (similarly in case of 60.Kf2, when it comes with check) or achieves a passer that would cost White his bishop after 60.e4 d4. But after 60.Bc6 (or Ba8, for that matter) Ke1 he can't put the bishop on a6, to stop the invasion of the black king to f1.
However, if the bishop really must shuttle between a6 & c8 as long as the black king is within one move range from d2, it doesn’t look as if White could hold on much longer even after 59.Bc8 before Black induces the desirable zugzwang – e.g. 59....Kc1 60.Ba6 Kc2 61.Bc8 Kd1 62.Ba6 Ke1 and White has to remove the bishop from the a6-f1 diagonal and allow the invasion to f1.
|Jan-29-11|| ||acme: <Eyal> After 59. Bc8 Kc1 why can't white respond with 60. Kf2?|
60. ...Nd1+ will no longer lead to loss of the e3 pawn because of Ke2.
|Jan-29-11|| ||Eyal: <acme: <Eyal> After 59. Bc8 Kc1 why can't white respond with 60. Kf2?|
60. ...Nd1+ will no longer lead to loss of the e3 pawn because of Ke2.>
Yeah, but 60...Kd2! is again winning in such a case (the Nd1 threat becomes decisive)
|Jan-29-11|| ||polarmis: Amusing coincidence - when Carlsen beat Kramnik with Black in Wijk-aan-Zee 2008: Kramnik vs Carlsen, 2008|
...Kramnik also made a simple tactical blunder by taking a poisoned a-pawn, and tried offering a draw in a bad position after Qb5!
|Jan-29-11|| ||arjunkakar: especially creditable after two uncharacetristic losses earlier in this tournament to much lower ranked players.|
|Jan-29-11|| ||Gilmoy: <Eyal: 59..K[d2-]c1 60..Kc2 61..Kd1 ... and White has to ...>|
GMs move their Ks in elegant little triangles!!
(and their Kts in slightly bigger ones)
|Jan-29-11|| ||KKDEREK: Carlsen's resilience is astonishing..Forget about Carlsen get crushed in some tourney..He can lost 1 or 2 but always bounce back.|
|Jan-30-11|| ||Ulhumbrus: Carlsen gives Kramnik's move 44 h3 (keeping Black's Knight out of g4) as an example of the way in which he says that Kramnik played the ending "really carelessly", saying that he could have played 44 Ke6. |
This suggests the paradox that the "careful" move 44 h3 which keeps the Black Knight our of g4 is an example of careless play.
|Jan-31-11|| ||notyetagm: Game Collection: Magnus Carlsen Best Games|
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