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|Oct-01-11|| ||computer chess guy: After 15. .. e8 16. fxe5 e6, Black is probably ok: in fact, Houdini evaluates the position in Black's favor. I do not see that White has anything better.|
|Oct-01-11|| ||cunctatorg: Keep in mind that Kotronias is an apprentice of the truly great Efim Geller from the 80's.
He is capable for the best and the worst though...|
|Nov-14-11|| ||GrahamClayton: <geladar>Incredible game indeed, but I can't believe that it was sound.|
Kotronias won, so that makes the game sound to me!
|Dec-03-11|| ||sevenseaman: The end is like an expert hand threading a needle.|
|Jan-15-12|| ||Penguincw: Awesome game. 8.Nf5 and something wonderful is going to happen.|
|Jan-19-12|| ||rilkefan: I expected 12...Nxc3, esp. when I saw that queens stayed on after 13.Qxe4. I'm not sure what white had in mind - looking with stockfish Bxf7+ does nothing as the king hides on g8, and after 13.Nxg7+ Bxg7 14.Bxf7+ Kxf7 15.fe+ Nf6 16.Bxf6 black calmly plays ...Nxb1 17.Bxg7 Bf5 18.Bxh8 Rxh8 19.g4 Ke8 - calmly, very calmly, and extremely calmly.|
Instead sf is suggesting 13.Nd4 Ne2+ and here I beat it to 14.Bxe2 (instead of the obviously hopeless Qxe2), which it's calling -2.8 at a depth of 27 after Qc5 and f6.
|Jan-19-12|| ||newzild: I have no idea what just happened...|
|Jan-19-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: <rilkefan> Excellent point!|
Inspired by your espousal of Stockfish, I went at downloaded a version of it.
I too was looking at the exact same thing: Namely Black playing 12...Nxc3! What a remarkable coincidence.
I can confirm 100 percent that Stockfish rates 12...Nxc3 and what follows with best play at -2.8.
Surely, the final attack was genius, but this game is flawed with a speculative and thoroughly unsound sac at move 12!
|Jan-19-12|| ||rilkefan: <LTJ> - I should have added that I would not want to face 13.Nxg7+/14.Bxf7+ as black, and can imagine even a pretty strong player like Kotronias thinking it was good for white OTB.|
|Jan-19-12|| ||xthred: I've heard of the poison pawn, but poison pawns? Wow.|
|Jan-19-12|| ||wuvmuffin72: After studying Kotronias and his opening repertoire as White, I've noticed that Kortronias has a tendency to play lines that are critical and aggressive. I wouldn't be surprised if Kotronias switched over to 1. d4 as White and played the Samisch against the Nimzo and Bc4 Exchange in the Grunfeld.|
|Jan-19-12|| ||ossipossi: Yes, why not <12...Nxc3>? My maximum was around 2100 in youth, now maybe I could attain 1800 after such a long dismiss, but after simple <12...Nc3> Black looks winning.|
|Jan-19-12|| ||Memethecat: Great game to watch, some very unpredictable mvs, 8Nf5 & 9Qf3 stand out. I wonder if black would have been better off with 12...Nxc3 attacking both Rb1 & Nf5. The sicilian can be an aggressive attacking game but this one more so than most, the "Romantics" circa: 1880 would have loved this & I would be in complete agreement.|
|Jan-19-12|| ||Penguincw: Amazing. Xiu Deshun is losing wonderful games.|
|Jan-19-12|| ||KingV93: Incredible stream of tactical shots. Looks like an old Mike Tyson boxing match. Body blow, body blow, left hook, uppercut, knockout! amazing.|
|Jan-19-12|| ||indoknight: ARGGHH!!!! HOW TO ANALYZE THIS GAME????My head was spinning when i see this game!!|
|Jan-19-12|| ||psmith: What happens after 15...Kg6? (I see the obvious 16. Nh4+ Kh5 17. Qf7+ g6 when Black by all rights should not survive, but how is he finished off it at all?)|
|Jan-19-12|| ||psmith: Also, 15...Ke8 needs to be analyzed. If 16. Nxd6+ Bxd6 17. fxe5 Ne6 18. exd6 Qc5+ trades off the Queens, for example. So does White have a breakthrough after 15...Ke8?|
|Jan-19-12|| ||erniecohen: Black appears to be winning as late as move 15; e.g. 15...e8 16. fxe5 e6 17. e3 c6 18. a5 b5 19. exd6 b7 20. d2 d1 21. f2 xd6|
|Jan-19-12|| ||kevin86: Boy,black position collapses like a house of old cards.|
|Jan-19-12|| ||Mac3: Vas must have had a Clinton in their eye after that game ;-)|
|Jan-19-12|| ||Dr. J: Is 15...Ne6 a valid defense? (16 Rxb7+? Bxb7 17 Qxb7+ Nc7)|
|Jan-19-12|| ||Phony Benoni: Yes, 15...Be6 appears to be the fatal blunder, at least to us. But the move is understandable: you block a check by developing a piece and attacking the queen. The last thing you expect to see next is a rook dancing up and down the 7th rank.|
|Jul-06-12|| ||choklat: The gambit is nice try if you don't use any prog, rights?|
|Jan-16-13|| ||FSR: Houdini 3 also gives 12...Nxc3! as winning (-2.05). In the game continuation, it says that 15...Ke8! gives Black a large advantage (-.87), and 15...Kg6 also favors Black (-.50). After 15...Be6?, it instantly announces mate in 11 with 16.Rxb7+!|
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