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|Aug-23-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: Where there's a will there's a way!
In the context of the following link, I can tell you that I found a way; but it certainly wasn't easy. ;)
I call this one "Play Like Karpov".
White to play and win!
|Aug-23-12|| ||HeMateMe: I got the first move; very thematic, getting a "free" move, before recapturing the Queen. In this case black doesn't have time to make that capture.|
|Aug-23-12|| ||abuzic: 13.Nb5
13...b6 14.b4 Qa4 15.Bb3 Qxb5 16.Qc2+ Kd7 17.Ba4 wins the Q.
13...Qb6 14.Bc7 Qa6 15.Rc1 e5 16.Bd3 Kd7 17.Bf5+ Ke8 18.Bxd8 Qxb5 19.Rc8 Be7 20.Qc3 Nd7 21.Bb6+ Bd8 22.Rxd8+ Ke7 23.Rxd7+ Kf6 24.Rd6+ Kxf5 25.g4+ Kg5 26.h4+ Kxh4 27.Rh1+ Kg5 28.Rh5+ Kf4 29.Qe3#
13...Qa4 14.Bxd5 Ne5;
<14...Qxb5 15.Qc3+ Kd7 16.Bc6+ Kc8 17.Bd7#>;
<14...Rd7 15.Qc3+ Kd8 16.Bc7+ Ke8 17.Bb6 e6 18.Qc8+ Ke7 19.Bc5+ Rd6 20.Bxd6#>;
15.Qc1+ Nc6 16.Bxc5 Rxd1 17.Rxd1 e5 18.Be8+ Kb8 19.Rd8#;
|Aug-23-12|| ||Abdel Irada: Apropos of the 14. b3 vs. 14. c1 discussion, I have to admit that I didn't look very deep. Upon seeing that the former move trapped the queen, I stopped looking for improvements and shifted my attention to 13. ...b6.|
When Black chose 13. ...a4 in the game, of course, I saw how much stronger the latter plan really was, thanks to the shot 14. c1, dxc4?; 15. xc4†!, xc4; 16. xa7†, forcing mate.
With luck, this will remind me to look more closely at rejected lines. Sometimes there is more in them than meets the eye ... my eye, at least.
|Aug-23-12|| ||morfishine: Looks like this is a White 'wins as he chooses' situation, as long as he starts with <13.Nb5>. Having found that, I then immediately chose the inferior <13...Qb6> (which is embarrassed by 14.Bc7, which I overlook of course)|
Having played two inferior moves, one for each side, I then hit on an idea: deflect the Black Queen from <c7>, and so I continued <14.Nxa7+ Qxa7> and crowned my stumbling, bumbling effort with <15.Bb5>:
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No time left for me to see how Black best meets White's main threat: 16.Rc1+
|Aug-23-12|| ||poszvald: Nb5, and white is securing the game! Black must defend the queen or step away with it.|
13, Nb5 Qxd2
14, Nxa7+ Kd7
13, Nb5 b6
14, b4 Qa4 (..Qa6 15, Nd6+ )
15, Qc3 Nxf4 (.. dxc4 16, Qxc4+ and mate in next step; ..d4 16, Be6++ and mate in next step, ..e6or5 16, Be6++ and mate in next step, basicly no good move for black)
16, Bxd5+ Kb8 (.. Kd7 17, Qc6#)
13, Nb5 Qa6 (..Qb6 14, Be3 Qa6 15, Nxa7+ winning queen, ..Qa4 14, b3 and see the other variations)
14, Nd6+ Qxd6
With this I think blacks best option is to give his queen for two minor peaces of white, but has an open king where basicly all the white peaces are attacking and black still has a dull bishop and rook.
However my analysis looks to complicated I think, therefore there is surely a better option than Nb5, or at least a better continuation..
|Aug-23-12|| ||tarek1: <13.Nb5!> threatening the queen |
(Qb6 Be3 is crushing anyway)
and now we don't even bother to take the queen back, it looks like
<15.Bb5#> is a mate...
|Aug-23-12|| ||eblunt: 14 c1 is even stronger IMO|
|Aug-23-12|| ||Abdel Irada: <morfishine>: It looks a bit tenuous, but I think Black can survive in the diagrammed position (after 15. b5) with 15. ...e5. After 16. c1†, b8; 17. xe5, xe5; 18. xe5†, d6, it appears the defender holds. And omitting 16. c1† doesn't appear to change much.|
However, I think you deserve credit for independent thinking. It's pretty clear you didn't just "follow the herd."
|Aug-23-12|| ||Abdel Irada: Perhaps the biggest unanswered question about this game: Was White played by D Murphy or H Murphy? On the page, it says H; on the link titles, it says D.|
As for me, I say :-D
|Aug-23-12|| ||lost in space: Got it. Was thinking first about Nxd5, but there is no immediat k.o. |
13. Nb5 is better.
|Aug-23-12|| ||eblunt: <Abdel Irada: Apropos of the 14. b3 vs. 14. c1 discussion, I have to admit that I didn't look very deep. Upon seeing that the former move trapped the queen> It doesn't trap the queen ... 14 b3 a6.|
14 c1 is better than both of them.
|Aug-23-12|| ||abuzic: 13.Nb5; if 13...Qa6 then
14.Qc2 Rd7 15.Na7+ Kd8
<15...Qxa7 16.Bb5+ Kd8 17.Bxd7 e5 18.Qc8+ Ke7 19.Bxe5 Nxe5 20.Qc7 Nfxd7 21.Rxe5+ Kf6 22.Rdxd5+ g6 23.Rxd7 Be7 24.Rexe7 Qb8 25.Rxf7+ Kg5 26.Rd5+ Kh6 27.Qc1+ Qf4 28.Qxf4+ g5 29.Qxg5#>
|Aug-23-12|| ||abuzic: Earlier white had missed 11.dxc6 bxc6 (otherwise cxb7 is crushing) 12.Nb5 Qxd2+ 13.Rxd2 Nd5 14.Bxd5 cxd5 15.Nc7+ Kd7 16.Rxd5+ Kc8 17.Nxa8 Nxf4 18.Rb5.|
|Aug-23-12|| ||Old Wolf: The ratings must be around the wrong way, Black was just about lost by move 4.|
|Aug-23-12|| ||perfidious: < Abdel Irada: Perhaps the biggest unanswered question about this game: Was White played by D Murphy or H Murphy? On the page, it says H; on the link titles, it says D.
As for me, I say :-D>
I submitted a correction for this yesterday, as it could hardly have been the original listing of Dara Murphy; she was born in 1991. On doing a little research, I found at least one other game by a player called H Murphy, played at Lewisham 1981.
|Aug-23-12|| ||Old Wolf: After Nb5 Qa6; Qc2 is the most caning move, it is far far better than Nd6 +which still leaves a bit of work to do.|
White could also have won earlier with 11 dxc6 bxc6; Nb5!
|Aug-23-12|| ||gofer: What is black doing???
White has finished his development, centralised his pieces and is about dominate everything, on the flip side black
has castled and then given up his pawns in front of his king and still has two pieces that are late joining the party...
<You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous is 'Never get involved in a land war in Asia,'...>
<13 Nb5 ...>
13 ... Qxd2 14 Nxa7+ Kd7 15 Bb5#
13 ... Qa4 14 b3 Qa6 (as below)
13 ... Qa6 14 Rc1
13 ... Qb6 14 Be3 d4 ( Qe6 15 Nxa7+ Kb8 16 Nb5 ) 15 Nxd4
13 ... b6 14 Qc2 Kb7 16 Bd2
Lots of choices for black but all of them bad...
|Aug-23-12|| ||Crispy Seagull: I needed my xray specs for this one. Sadly I must have left them somewhere today.|
|Aug-23-12|| ||Oxspawn: 14.b3?
Murphy D? or H?
All very good but....
I guessed at 13. Nb5, looked through narrowed lids at the power of the bishop on f4, sucked my teeth and gave up.
So I clicked through to the kibitz, and looked forward to playing through the game.
It turns out that in a post-holiday festival mood, my Java has updated itself to SE7 U6 10.6.2.24. Now I can see the chess board set up, but not play the moves (which pretty well sums up my chess standard). Anyone help?
I deleted the chessgames cookie and let it reinstall it.
I signed out and logged in.
It says: Error click for details, and then "ClassNotFoundException"
Do I have any legal moves left?
|Aug-23-12|| ||agb2002: White has the bishop pair for a bishop, a knight and a pawn.|
Black threatens 13... dxc4.
The defenseless black queen and the very weak black castle invite to play 13.Nb5:
A) 13... Qxd2 14.Nxa7+ Kd7 15.Bb5#.
B) 13... Qa6 14.Qd4 (14.Nd6+ Qxd6 15.Bxd6 dxc4 followed by e(R)xd6 [Q vs B+2N+P], unclear)
B.1) 14... b6 15.Nd6+ followed by 16.Bxa6 + - [Q vs 2N+P].
B.2) 14... Nxf4 15.Nxa7+ Qxa7 16.Qxa7 - + [Q vs 2N] (16... dxc4 17.Qa8+ Kc7 18.Qxd8+, etc.).
B.3) 14... Qa5 15.Nxa7+ Kd7 16.Bb5+ Qxb5 17.Nxb5 + - [Q vs N].
B.4) 14... e5 15.Bxe5 Qa5 16.Nxa7+ Kd7 17.Bb5+ Ke7(6) 18.Bc7+ wins the queen.
C) 13... Qb6 14.Bc7 Qc5 15.Bxd8 Kxd8 (15... Qxc4 16.Rc1) 16.Bxd5 Nxd5 (16... Qxb5 17.Bc6+) 17.Qxd5+ Qxd5 18.Rxd5+ Kc8 (18... Ke8 19.Nb5#) 19.Rc1+ Kb8 20.Rd8#.
D) 13... Qa4 14.b3 Qa6 15.Qd4 is similar to B.
|Aug-23-12|| ||LIFE Master AJ: H Murphy vs A Kinsman, 1981|
Doing this on notepad, working just from the diagram ...
This one is much too complicated ... to lay out all the lines would be difficult. (I am sure that others willl do a quite adequate job of this, so there is no need for me to rehash all of this.)
My main line is 13.Nb5! Black cannot play QxQ due to 14.NxP/a7+, so it looks like the only real try is 13...Qa4. Now 14.b3, might win, but 14.Rc1 looks even trickier. One line is 14...dxc4; 15.RxP/c4+! with the idea of 15...QxR/c4; (then) 16.NxP/a7#.
I am not sure if Black even has an adequate defense to 14.Rc1. (I could be wrong, I have not used an engine yet.) And since I have spent over half an hour on this one, I think its time to look at the game.
|Aug-23-12|| ||LIFE Master AJ: I did not seriously consider 14...Kd7; so I am not sure how to grade myself on this one.|
|Aug-23-12|| ||LIFE Master AJ: I would say this one is almost as difficult as they come, (LOTS of calculating to do, this one made my head spin!); although its pretty clear that White is probably winning after 13.Nb5!|
|Aug-23-12|| ||LIFE Master AJ: FANTASTIC miniature, by the way.|
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