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|May-19-11|| ||rgr459: How does gelfand develop the LSB?|
|May-19-11|| ||PhoenixM: Unless I'm missing something here, it looks like Gelfand's best defense would be 14...e4. Grischuk is threatening Bxf6 followed by Qxf6, which will put a hole in the kingside and leave Gelfand with doubled isolated f-pawns that will be very difficult to defend in the endgame.|
|May-19-11|| ||Scarecrow: Hi all, I've just dropped in, my first thought was, fourteen moves and still going? I actually like White's position here.|
|May-19-11|| ||Domdaniel: <rgr459> - < How does gelfand develop the LSB?>
Beliavsky played the sharp 14...e4 here -- which, among other things, blocks the long diagonal -- and played ...Bd7 a few moves later.
14...e4 15.Qg3 h6 16.Rd1 hxg5 17.Rxd4 Bd7, to be precise.|
I don't think this game will follow all that, somehow.
|May-19-11|| ||rgr459: What about the plan of c5 for white threatening Nd6 after eliminating black's Nf6?|
|May-19-11|| ||rgr459: <Dom> thanks, I'm following on my phone and couldn't pull up that game.|
|May-19-11|| ||kellmano: Grischuk is ahead on the clock. Shome mishtake surely?|
|May-19-11|| ||BLarsen1967: 14...e4 seems forced|
|May-19-11|| ||Stonehenge: GM Shipov:
Boris is thinking and choosing between the immediate 14…e4, which has been seen before, and the experimental 14…Re8!? 15. Bxf6 e4!. Yes, in the second line White isn’t obliged to take on f6 immediately. You can simply develop your bishop to e2. But first of all you have to calculate the ensuing exchanges to the end. There’s a chance that White will end up with a better ending.
|May-19-11|| ||PhoenixM: Ya. I looked into the possibility of Bxf6, then simply gxf6. With a an opposing queen on that side of the board, it would not be a wise idea to do that. In order for anything other than ...e4 to work, the queens would have to leave the board.|
No ...e4 would almost certainly guarantee Bxf6, so Gelfand would have to factor in the possibility of protecting an exposed king with queens on the board (which is like trying to figure out how to protect a rotting dear with the entire forest knowing its there).
|May-19-11|| ||Boomie: <BLarsen1967: 14...e4 seems forced>|
Re8 also works...kind of...14...Re8 15. Bxf6 e4 16. Bxd8 exf3+ 17. Kd2 Rxd8
|May-19-11|| ||Domdaniel: If 14...e4 15.Qg3 (as seen before) then 15...Nh5 16.Qh4 Bf6 looks like an improvement for Black. The idea behind 15...h6 is that 16.Bxh6 is met with 16...Bxf2+ and 17...Ng4 regaining the piece.|
|May-19-11|| ||Knight13: 14...Re8.|
|May-19-11|| ||kellmano: Gelfand looks a bit bothered:
|May-19-11|| ||Knight13: <kellmano: Gelfand looks a bit bothered: |
Appearances can be deceiving.
|May-19-11|| ||Domdaniel: <a rotting dear >
|May-19-11|| ||Domdaniel: So, ...Re8. It seems improbable (and highly dangerous) but 14...Re8 15.Bxf6 e4 16.Bxd8 exf3+ 17.Kd2 appears to give White some advantage.|
|May-19-11|| ||hoodrobin: clocks are equalizing|
|May-19-11|| ||vonehsreg: go grischuk!!!|
|May-19-11|| ||Domdaniel: We can't say that they aren't trying this time. Both seem pretty committed to playing fighting chess, and the game could go either way. Or fizzle out, but it wouldn't be a *bad* fizzle.|
|May-19-11|| ||mack: 15...exf6+!|
|May-19-11|| ||Domdaniel: Now 15...e4 and the line first mentioned by Boomie looks almost forced: 16.Bxd8 exf3+ 17.Kd2 and either ...Rxd8 at once or 17...fxg2.|
|May-19-11|| ||Chris00nj: So after 19. Ke3 fxg2 20. Bxg2, Pocket Fritz likes Rd7 over my initial idea of Rh4|
|May-19-11|| ||mack: Oh, don't pawns move like that these days?|
|May-19-11|| ||Marmot PFL: fg2 looks bad for black, giving white a large development edge. if white wants an extra doubled f pawn let him have it.|
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