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Vassily Ivanchuk vs Magnus Carlsen
Bazna King's Tournament (2011)  ·  Ruy Lopez, Berlin Defense (C65)  ·  1/2-1/2
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Jun-12-11
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  Ghuzultyy: Time to get the queens off the board.
Jun-12-11  anandrulez: What idea does white have here ? Looks like Black has the c4 square and probably a good control over the game now . I think Ivanchuk didn't handle opening well , but Carlsen is really difficult to tackle .
Jun-12-11
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  Ulhumbrus: One possible plan for Black is to concentrate his Knights on the square c4 by the manoeuvres ..Nd6 and ..Nf6-d7-b6
Jun-12-11
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  moronovich: Several ways to a draw here
Jun-12-11
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  talisman: B finally?
Jun-12-11
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  Ulhumbrus: White would like to occupy c5, Black would like to occupy c4, Black occupies the d file, White attacks the e5 pawn. One sequence is 24...Nd7 25 Rd1 Nd6 26 Ne1 Nb6 27 Nc5 Ndc4. This warrants looking at further.
Jun-12-11  anandrulez: Several ways to draw , and white declined a clear offer . So white has to try and show what he has .
Jun-12-11  BobCrisp: The concept of paradox is itself, curiously, paradoxical.
Jun-12-11
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  Domdaniel: Black needs to play ...f6 to hold his e-pawn before trying either ...c5 or ...Nb6-c4.
Jun-12-11
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  zarg: <moro>, that may be so, but Mag want proof.
Jun-12-11  BobCrisp: <So white has to try and show what he has.>

Or just wait and see if <Magnus> overeggs the pudding.

Jun-12-11
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  Ulhumbrus: One guess is that White will occupy c5 with a Knight, Black will occupy c4 with a Knight and honour having been satisfied, a draw will be agreed shortly thereafter.
Jun-12-11  BobCrisp: I would guess that these two are probably the two most popular top players in the current firmament, so a draw will be well-received.
Jun-12-11
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  An Englishman: Good Morning: What about 25.Rd1 intending 26.Be3 and 27.Ra1? 25.Be3 can be met by ...Ra8. My guess is that Black's slightly cramped Bishop (more so if he plays ...f7-f6) gives White whatever edge might exist in the game.
Jun-12-11
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  Ulhumbrus: Ivanchuk has one problem, if one can call it a problem: Whereas Black can be satisfied with equality, White will want more.
Jun-12-11
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  zarg: Did Ivanchuk fix his old time junkie problem?
Jun-12-11
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  dakgootje: Naka can't get any advantage against Nisi according to the computers. Goose eggs. Then again, the position is very closed - so what do they know?!
Jun-12-11
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  Domdaniel: <Zarg> - < old time junkie > One has to be careful with those three words. A hyphen between the first pair is very different to one between the last two.
Jun-12-11
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  SCUBA diver: How about 26. N-a5
Jun-12-11
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  waustad: <dom>Aha, now I understand. After following the Zarg links, it makes perfect sense with the later hyphen.
Jun-12-11
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  Ron: Last two moves by Carlsen were quickly played.
Jun-12-11  BobCrisp: Lots of guessing going on. Anybody would think we don't really have a clue.
Jun-12-11  anandrulez: Carlsen has the clock advantage now .
Jun-12-11
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  dakgootje: I'm a new time junkie actually -- it always blows my mind if I get some time added. Couldn't care less about that old time that is on my clock anyway.
Jun-12-11
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  Ulhumbrus: 28...Ra3 ties White up a bit
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