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| Jul-22-11 | | DrMAL: A result from Houdini. Objectively <keypusher> seems right about 25.f4 but I am not sure in terms of OTB play. 25.f4 put pressure on black, where the only move is 25...Ne3+ not complicated but no other options (and black chose not to play it, immediately losing). Houdini_15a_x64: 26/73 19:22 5,332,339,345
+0.24 25.c3 f5 26.Bxf5 Rxe1+ 27.Kxe1 Ne5
+0.17 25.Re2 f5 26.Bxf5 Rxe2 27.Kxe2 Re8+
+0.08 25.f4 Ne3+ 26.Rxe3 Bxf4 27.Rf3 Bxc1
In any event, the position was still quite equal. |
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| Jul-22-11 | | DrMAL: <DeepTrouble> Ooops, posted before I saw yours. Yes that makes sense, thanx. I don't think 0.35 is a moderate advantage it is maybe "slight" to me. Whatever LOL, cheers. |
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| Jul-22-11 | | DeepTrouble: DrMAL:
I consider "moderate" to be the same as "slight", so I think we agree :) |
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| Jul-22-11 | | DrMAL: Carlsen's positional sac did not come out from Houdini as clearly best either but IMO it was indeed clearly best:
click for larger view Houdini_15a_x64: 23/61 07:19 1,962,476,494
+0.03 19.g3 Bc4 20.Bd3 Bxd3 21.cxd3 c5
0.00 19.Nd4 Bxf1 20.Kxf1 Rae8 21.Nxc6 Nf6
It's amazing to me how close to zero the position evaluates anyway. |
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| Jul-22-11 | | DeepTrouble: The exchange sac was sound I think. g3 might be better from an objective standpoint, but Magnus prefers active play. Fabiano was getting low on time and Magnus probably wanted to avoid simplifications. Subjectively (psychologically), Nd4 made a lot of sense to me. |
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Jul-22-11
 | | perfidious: Bobwhoosta: <DrMal> Interesting how anyone who disagrees with you is "putting others down" and therefore deserves to be called names... Might want to rethink that.> Bob, he's a mite touchy-I put him on my short ignore list, as he started in with some abusive nonsense when I presumed to disagree with something or other in his pronouncements. <plang> This whole business of sitting in front of one's computer, plugging in the sexiest new engine, running a position and totting up evaluations is almost beyond soul-deadening in a way. I quite agree-who cares, really, whether a position is (-.18) or (+ 4000), so long as one has an understanding of what's going on and why, not to mention enjoying the games themselves, warts and all? |
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| Jul-22-11 | | csmath: Brilliant game, non-standard plan to exploit diagonal, this is only a trait of superb player. It was so easy to lose the thread here and Carauna lost it real fast. |
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Jul-22-11
 | | Sokrates: <BobCrisp: Including yourself? Get yourself a mirror and tell us who wins the argument. What a muppet!> I have no idea why you are so aggressive towards me. Several times in my life I have spoken when it cost, and now and then I've paid the price. My son, injured in Afghanistan, also paid his price. Please make your research before you make judgement about others. |
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| Jul-22-11 | | BobCrisp: <I will defend freedom of speech any day - especially against the many people on earth who want to oppress it. But I won't defend the stupidity of muslim-hating self-righteous Danes. Critisise Islam, yes! by all means. Ridicule Islam, no, that's just lack of respect and sensitivity.> In other words, you will defend speech that you approve of, but not speech that you disapprove of or that you fear might incite violence. |
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| Jul-22-11 | | abstract: nice game |
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Jul-22-11
| | Sokrates: <In other words, you will defend speech that you approve of, but not speech that you disapprove of or that you fear might incite violence.> You seem to dislike subtleties and nuances, so I shall try to sort it out. I defend your right to write that I am an idiot, but obviously I cannot defend the notion that I am an idiot. I defend the right to publish the silly drawings on Mohammed, but I cannot defend the notion that all muslims are potential terrorists and that Islam is a religion of terror. To be granted the possibility of practicing a right doesn't mean that you do the right thing practicing that right per se. I have the right to insult people when I walk in the street - that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. To insult, ridicule and offend people may be something you have a right to do, but that certainly doesn't make it right. Clear? |
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Jul-22-11
 | | Appaz: Printing a caricature isn't very important until someone try to deny you the right to do so. If so happens, you have a very good reason to print it. |
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| Jul-22-11 | | BobCrisp: Yes. It's a pity your original statement wasn't. But your characterisation of the cartoons as reflecting <the notion that all muslims are potential terrorists and that Islam is a religion of terror> is itself rather lacking in subtlety and nuance. But to end on a note of consensus, what criticisms of Islam do you feel are justified? |
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Jul-22-11
 | | Bureaucrat: Radical Islamists try to impose their own religous taboos onto everyone, even non- muslims. I hate those fundamentalist monkeys. |
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| Jul-22-11 | | Kinan: Who said you have the right to insult someone? if it's so then that someone has all the right to punch you on your face.
Freedom has limits and it stops when others freedom start, this is something some people don't understand I guess. |
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| Jul-22-11 | | DrMAL: Fabiano played ambitiously from the start, very commendable against Magnus. When I got to the game, Magnus already made his positional sac but I could not see any advantage in it. It seems Fabiano continued to play ambitiously, where he fell off the tightrope under pressure. Brilliant game by both players wish I saw it from the start. |
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| Jul-22-11 | | JonathanJ: it's not about the justification of the cartoons's message, it's about the right to print those cartoons. |
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Jul-22-11
 | | keypusher: <Kinan: Who said you have the right to insult someone? > I do. Also, you're a toffee-nosed malodorous pervert. |
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Jul-22-11
| | Bureaucrat: <Kinan>: Punch you in the face? Like blowing up innocent people at random? You medieaval- minded primate. |
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| Jul-22-11 | | dumbgai: Uncommon Opening? Looks like a Scotch to me. |
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Jul-22-11
| | Appaz: <<Kinan> Who said you have the right to insult someone? if it's so then that someone has all the right to punch you on your face.> So, you really see no distinction between mere words and physical assault? Hurt by words? I pity your weakness. |
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Jul-22-11
 | | beenthere240: 19. g3 followed by exchanging the LSBs would have created the sort of "dead draw" position that others diagnosed. Carlsen (and a quite a few other GMs I'd bet) see instantly that swapping black's active LSB for an entombed rook on f1 is a good deal, especially when you get a pawn and very active position. |
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| Jul-22-11 | | Kinan: <Appaz> :) |
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Jul-22-11
| | perfidious: <BobCrisp: Get yourself a mirror and tell us who wins the argument...> A piece of advice this troller/poster might do well to heed himself, what with his need to outshout everyone in sight. |
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Jul-22-11
| | Sokrates: <But to end on a note of consensus, what criticisms of Islam do you feel are justified?> You know very well that it's a difficult question to answer. Personally, I don't care if it's a religion, a political conviction or whatever: as long as you follow it yourself and don't force it upon others it's up to you and not to me. If you do so, however, I think criticism is called for. Unfortunately, many fanatic people have the urge to force their opinion on others, and that, as an example, is a subject of justifiable criticism. But really, this is complex and not likely to be settled at this place. So let's stop here. |
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