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|Jul-27-11|| ||karnak64: Oh - 62. Silly me. Or later.|
|Jul-27-11|| ||Michel Lassalle: Maybe Bf5 ?|
|Jul-27-11|| ||Michel Lassalle: Posted before seeing the move !|
|Jul-27-11|| ||Marmot PFL: Not certain its winning, but I think more likely than not, with Shirov playing it.|
|Jul-27-11|| ||smitten: I'm an amateur player who doesn't have a rating yet, but to me it seems Black cannot make a progress with his d-pawn because his Bishop cannot control the d4 square. Neither does it attack White's h-pawn. Knight can't lose a tempo, yes, but in this position he doesn't need to. I could be wrong though - awaiting for others' opinion.|
|Jul-27-11|| ||Gypsy: Kf4/Ke4 is a key to progress.
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Wite to move.
|Jul-27-11|| ||Michel Lassalle: But Bf5 is difficult to answer and black kng is going to penetrate by f4. I am no so sure it is a draw|
|Jul-27-11|| ||moronovich: <smitten> Cute avatar BTW ;)
God post.And the pos is difficult,anyway.Somewhere "between the lines"
there is/or could be a zugswang which will influenze the whole evaluation.|
|Jul-27-11|| ||doublemint: 77 Ne6 looks like a possible innacuracy... It gives white an extra tempo when black plays Kf5. But I still don't see a clear win.|
|Jul-27-11|| ||Marmot PFL: If Nxb6 the h-bomb queens but Nc3 is no better|
|Jul-27-11|| ||Marmot PFL: maybe Nf6+ and try to keep the knight on the kind side, but i think shirov has already checked this out.|
|Jul-27-11|| ||moronovich: o-1.Shirov won !
Congrats.Another fine endgame from him.
|Jul-27-11|| ||Michel Lassalle: very instructive for me poor wood pusher. I aw sure that it was a draw. I would like to know if Caruaba made a mistake a few moves ago.|
|Jul-27-11|| ||Gypsy: In the position I posted, White still had Nf3. Shirov's Bf5 was the right way to re-position.|
|Jul-27-11|| ||doublemint: If instead of 77 Ne6 Car had played 77 Nb4 I think it was drawn. Hard fought.|
|Jul-27-11|| ||Gypsy: <Michel Lassalle: ... I would like to know if Caruaba made a mistake a few moves ago.> I don't think so. If <79.Nd4>, then <79...Kf4> and Kf4-e4 with d5-d4 can not stopped.|
|Jul-27-11|| ||doublemint: his mistake was on move 77.. Putting the knight on e6 allowed the extra tempo for black to penetrate, and he had the option of putting it in a safer square.|
|Jul-27-11|| ||Gypsy: <doublemint: If instead of 77 Ne6 Car had played 77 Nb4 I think it was drawn. Hard fought.> 77.Nb3 Kg4 and 78...Kf4. White win is no harder than in the game.|
|Jul-27-11|| ||Administrator: Thanks to everyone for watching today's games with us. We will continue our coverage of Biel tomorrow at 8:AM USA/Eastern time. Hope to see you then.|
|Jul-27-11|| ||Bobwhoosta: It gives me great respect for Shirov when I witness such amazing endgame prowess, and then his general style. Most players who have his abilities in the endgame will tend to steer the game in that direction, but Shirov always looks for a miniature, one way or the other!!!|
Very enterprising, and entertaining, but these games remind us how strong he truly is...
|Jul-27-11|| ||Gypsy: <ajile: Is there a point to the full point points?> |
Sorry, I just just used the 'full point' idiom as a synonym for 'win'. But, in view of the modern 3/1/0 scoring system, 'full point' is not only an anachronism, but also became rather ambiguous.
I think I will refrain from using the 'full point' idiom in future.
|Jul-27-11|| ||wordfunph: 82.Nc3?? and quick 0-1..|
|Jul-27-11|| ||juan31: creo que el Maestro Caruana quiso darle una ingrata sorpresa al Maestro Shirov, pero no pudo concretar su idea (ignoro la idea detras de su apertura) que segun yo buscaba desbalancear la defensa de las negras, sin lograrlo, pero eso no quiere decir que no tenga un profundo conocimiento del ajedrez. Es la opinion de un simple aficionado maleta|
|Jul-27-11|| ||Gypsy: <wordfunph: 82.Nc3?? and quick 0-1..> |
There was no saving this endgame. Though White could have prolong the agony.
<82.Nf6 Kf5 83.Nh5 Kg5 84.Ng7 Bd5 85.Ne8...> (lest the knight falls to Bf7 & Kg6) <85...Kf4 86.Nf6 Bf3 87.Nd7 h3 88.Kg1 Kg3 ... 0-1>.
|Jul-28-11|| ||Al2009: Yesterday many chessplayers (including Marie Sebag), in the live comments to the game on Facebook, were persuaded that the endgame was draw, because in their opinion Black's King could have been "blocked". Probably they forgot that: a) Black had a pawn more: b) Black had a Bishop against Knight, and better pawn set-up.
But they forgot another word: "zugzwang"! At the end in such endgames, the player in advantage succeeds in leaving the challenger helpless (moveless)....of course there are exceptions, and positions that can be saved, but the above made no exception.|
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