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|Sep-09-11|| ||novicevarun: I think the line can be ,
20. Rc5 Qd8
21. Rxe5 dxe5
22. Qxd8 Bxd8
23. Bxe5 ....
missed a simple thing. My bad!!!
|Sep-09-11|| ||Phony Benoni: I've been on both sides on the Noise Sagas, since my college club was kicked out of our office in the recreation center for being too loud and rowdy. But two incidents stand out, both occurring in tournaments played at the Palmer House in Chicago.|
In the 1979 US Open we shared a floor with Beatlemania. When you got off the elevator, you were supposed to be wearing your tournament badge to be able to get past the bouncers to the playing area. More than one chess player had nasty confrontations by omitting this detail.
Then there was the US Class Championship played in a second floor room near a balcony overlooking the lobby. One Sunday morning, while wandering around between moves, I noticed a full scale brass band assembling in the lobby.
Naturally, I made a beeline for a player who I knew was particularly sensitive to noise and waited for the show. Well worth it.
I never did fully outgrow that college chess club.
|Sep-09-11|| ||jussu: <Yesss! Solved my first Friday puzzle. For the sake of pride I'm ignoring postings that say this wasn't that difficult :-)>|
Same here :) And I am taking this as a promising sign for the tournament I will begin in one hour.
|Sep-09-11|| ||Sho: <rilkefan: I could have pointed to the guy I was playing.>|
|Sep-09-11|| ||sfm: <gofer: ... not sure I like black's attempt at defense. >|
Neither do I, but the problem is of course that there _is_ not a shadow of defense - or attack. After 20.Rc5,dxc 21.Bxe5,Bd7 22.Bxh8 (I like to keep the bishop on the a1-h8), bxa4 23.bxa,Qxa4 we have:
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White would like to play Bc4, but right now it would be a blunder because of -,b3! So instead 24.Bb2 (now we can play Bc4),Rd8 25.Qe1
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Finally there is nothing good to do against Bc4, the move that ends the game. White also thinks about Rf1/Qf2 and/or e5-e6.
"It is over." Honestly!
|Sep-09-11|| ||solskytz: took me a good minute and a half of 'what the hell is going on here'? or 'what a mess?! Now what am I trying to accomplish here?'|
opening lines? creating checks on d7 or d8 with the queen? eliminating the Bc8? Getting my Bf4 to trap the queen on a5? Maybe checking on b5? or opening up the roads to the king? OMG... nothing seems to work -
then I got another 'magic triangle', just like the other day... this time it was e5-b8-h8... reminds me a little of 'a beautiful mind' where this crazy genius sees all kind of bizarre geometric relations between symbols, words, etc...
how does it happen? Must be magic... but lo - I did see it!
I did look like 5 times at move Rc5, but only now, after the 'revelation', did I understand why it worked, or indeed, what it's actually supposed to do... to bring the support from under the feet of the poor Ne5 - with gain of tempo, and with the Black Q having nowhere, but absolutely nowhere, to go while still covering the two critical squares on the bishop black diagonal (the one leading to b8)
|Sep-09-11|| ||howlwolf: I have to agree with most of the posters--pretty easy for a Friday.|
|Sep-09-11|| ||solskytz: Why is it that every time I solve a Friday, people later tell me that it's too easy for a Friday?!|
|Sep-09-11|| ||scormus: <morfishine:> exactly what I was thinking .... that B didnt resign until W was R+minor ahead and threatening # in 2 as well. |
<solskytz> It wasnt so easy. Believe me, we are simply on great form today :)
|Sep-09-11|| ||Patriot: <solskytz> I know how you feel. You probably looked at Be3 also (to attempt trapping the queen), right? I considered it briefly but the threat ...Nxc4 should help narrow the list of candidates considerably. However I know that I wasted some time looking at some of the same candidates that had nothing to do with the threat.|
The only "good" candidates seem to be Rxc8+ (one way of dealing with the threat), Bxe5, Rc5, or Rd4. Rd4 is weak by comparison so it should be considered last if everything else fails. Rxc8+, as forcing as it is, is just another way of losing the exchange. Bxe5 looks more reasonable to remove the attacker although it gives up the bishop pair! Rc5 and black's options are very limited: ...Qe8 or ...dxc5. The latter is more forcing so I considered it first: 20.Rc5 dxc5 21.Bxe5 winning a knight for rook and forking the undefended rooks. 20.Rc5 Qe8 21.Rxe5 dxe5 22.Qxe8+ followed by 23.Bxe5, winning a piece.
|Sep-09-11|| ||sevenseaman: My house is undergoing painting and naturally there is constant tuk tuk or irksome screeches of heavy furniture being dragged across the floor. |
Taking a cue from <Once>'s story and others <dzechiel, Phony Benoni, cherubic rilkefan et al> who have related to it narrating their own experiences/anecdotes, its no wonder that I missed the now simple looking <21. Rc5>.
Sure I will take steps to cut out or insulate the noise, my puzzle solving can get affected for some more days to come.
An excuse, if ever there could be one; but these beauties can have the effect of recharging your batteries.
|Sep-09-11|| ||Marmot PFL: With white's rook attacked the combination 20 Rc5 dc 21 Bxe5 was not hard to spot, although I missed the queen trap threat a couple moves later that ended the game. Playing over the game I would have given 13...g6 at least ?! and possibly ? as it slows development and weakens some key squares for no evident reason (probably black wanted to castle without worrying about Qh5 and Rh3).|
|Sep-09-11|| ||kevin86: hello to Superbishop! The same bishop forks both rooks that a rook and queen. The single piece terrorizes the entire black position and leads to a quick defeat.|
|Sep-09-11|| ||Memethecat: well my frown just became a beaming smile!
i decided Rc5 followed by the possible fork on blacks rooks was my best move, but it could'nt be the answer as there was no end of game insight. so i searched for another 10 mins before dejectedly throwing the towel in and looking. what a nice surprise, i'd spent all that time & brain ache looking for something much more complicated.
|Sep-09-11|| ||ProjectR: And i thought this started with a rook sac/exchange down on f8 !|
Sure im suffering from chess block lately,the brain just isn't seeing things it could a week or so back..
|Sep-09-11|| ||newton296: <LIFE Master AJ: 03:41 AM Started on the puzzle. (Looking ONLY at the diagram on the main page.)|
#1.) Ran through the checklist.
#2.) Looked at a few quick lines/variants.
#3.) Decided on 20.Rc5 as the solution.
#4.) Checked the time. (03:42 AM)>
guess you think your a bad ahhsrss now!
|Sep-09-11|| ||Dr. J: <newton296>: That is just picking a fight. Please stop it.|
|Sep-09-11|| ||Once: Brass bands, moogs playing "Kiss" and tap dancing to singing in the rain.|
Now that's what I like.
|Sep-09-11|| ||Cemoblanca: 20.c5 dxc5 21.xe5 0-0 22.xb8|
|Sep-09-11|| ||BiteByBits: <SimonWebbsTiger>, <Phony Benoni>
yes that is the game i'm talking about. I liked Bh6 and then Nd6 in that game.|
|Sep-09-11|| ||LIFE Master AJ: <<guess you think your a bad ahhsrss now!>>|
No, actually, I do not. I did that mainly for the 2-3 blokes who like to imply that I am "over the hill."
Actually, I have a weird brain. Sometimes I see the most complex problems very quickly, but struggle to find the simpler things (I have talked about this many times before.) ... as to why, who knows?
God bless, and everyone have a nice day!!!
|Sep-09-11|| ||M.Hassan: "Difficult" White to play 20.? Equal
I started with this line:
Nothing important is gained
I noticed that both Black Rooks can be forked by White Bishop and it was then that the following line flashed to me:
20.Rc5 attacking Queen
White becomes a Knight up
Black could decline taking the Rook but it will be at the cost of loosing more materials:
Now White is a N+p up
Time to check
|Sep-09-11|| ||sevenseaman: <M. Hassan> Good analysis!|
|Sep-09-11|| ||Creg: It's late, and I'm tired. I'm going with...
20.Rc5 dxc5 21.Bxe5 (forking both rooks, thus the point of whites 20th move) and white gains a piece.
I don't think 20...Qd8 changes things. 21.Rxe5 dxe5 22.Qxd8 Bxd8 23.Bxe5 and once again both rooks are forked.
|Sep-10-11|| ||stst: Too late and tire, but seeing that RxB+ does not yield any subsequent advantage, but see that e5 is good for the B to fork both Bk R's, thus go:
20.Rc5 (main goal not to harass the Q, but to divert the d6 P) PxR
21.Bxe5 to fork R's @h8 & b8 and W should have material gain, Bk might go 0-0
Bed time....(12am coming....)
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